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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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19 minutes ago, dito said:

 

I had the same thought when ML said something like Lets see, lets give him a chance to try. I really felt like she was testing him. To see if he really thought she was worth fighting for.....staking his life for her....in GTY's words. 

Geez, these 2 are more alike than we thought. Even their thoughts on trusting someone with their life and love are similar. 

Exactly my thought. Minglan is smart and knows that some things can just not be. But at least she was glad he was willing to try as such she said, let's see. She thought he has a real plan or something, she wouldn't have thought that this handsome young lord is too naive.. Our ming lan and GTY are the real schemer. They can sheme to make a dead person come to life

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GTY fights for his love like crazy even when everyone was against  him he never waver.

 

This is the type of person she needs person that has a spine if you will. :phew:

 

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27 minutes ago, nrbrown said:

I actually don’t dislike any of the characters to be honest. I like some more than others. But over all, I think the actors are doing a heck off a good job in portraying their characters. I also think there isn’t a central “villain” or “villainess”. Sure there are baby villains, but it’s more I think the trails and tribulations of ML/GTY/family/friends. Thus, I think it isn’t necessarily a revenge plot IMHO. Someone mentioned a while back that the characters are flawed, thus human. I think this is what draws me to this drama, and why I like it so much. 

 

Sure I like Disney type stories with a happily ever after. However, I also like realistic stories in which a relationship takes a lot of work to maintain. QH, as said before, is the Prince Charming of Disney type stories. Most first love couples do not get married. Personally, my husband is not my first love. And so I tend to prefer stories that have themes to not being married to your first love.

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If anyone is interested in reading books that have this underline  theme. The author Sarah J Maas does a good job. 

 

 

 

Lin was a villain and i dislike her 100% and she deserved to suffer more before dying she killed ML mother and baby during child birth. That must have been one of the most painful and horrifying ways to die. 

 

Imagine thinking your about to die and your unborn child die and you will leave other child all alone in the world.. ah just to much . 

26 minutes ago, Suzzy San said:

Truly he saved her but I don't think that excuses his unreasonable act of confronting GTY about the proposal. That's why I say I pity people but I will never pity him for trying to kill someone because he is in need of something.. And there is one thing that if gone and decided upon, the solution is there and that's the past. If he wasn't all about promise and trying to prove his love without any assets, ming lan wouldn't need any saving bit like I said it's in the past, so even though I pity him. I have never wanted him for ming lan 

 

I mean were saying this because we know who GTY is because we get his POV but think from QH's POV of GTY's history in brothel's, dad rumours,outside wife etc.. I can totally understand why QH is saying what hes saying. Also QH has not tried to kill anyone if he goes that route then yeah all pity is lost.

 

22 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

I really dislike Dr He's cousin and her mum.  :triumph:

Reminded me of Linniang and Molan all over again.  "If you don't marry me, let me die.....bohoo hoo"....Kind of like Manniang as well.  So pathetic.  And you could see that Dr He is too kind hearted and got completely bought over with tears.  But I really like Minglan when she stayed firm and said that "If you choose her then you cannot have me too".  I need to be with someone who will think of me as a priority in his heart.  Otherwise, I rather not marry".  And she maintained that Dr He's solution to help the cousin by letting her stay on to help around the house not a solution.  Bravo Minglan!  At least she was clear that she will not tolerate hanky panky :smiley::thumbsup:

 

In the Novel doesnt she say that the cousin could be a concubine?

 

Offtopic comment but i would to see this grandma playing a empress dowager. 

 

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, dito said:

 

This is just my theory...but I think they show time jumps by showing trees with different coloured flowers. Some scenes start with pink flowers on the trees....some with white. I'm assuming those are plum blossoms and peach blossoms. Some scenes have bare trees with very little leaves....

So just check the trees to know how much time has passed in the drama.:D

Instead of timeline I like the idea of treeline.:D

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6 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

Linniang was a narrow-minded women trying to keep her children instead of giving them to Daniang, thus ruined their marriage prospect. 

 

Da Niang would have abused them. The two were deadly adversaries and I can see why SH wanted his kids to be raised by their mothers. Also Concubine Lin was better educated and able to give Molan a solid foundation. Lin understood the implications of a concubine raised daughter and did try to send Molan to grandma but was rejected.

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus, an elaborate scam, to push me to the corner, run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back. :lol:

 

Part of me wonders if ML makes a big deal about this to Grandma on purpose.  She's complaining but I have a feeling she's secretly pleased at all the effort he put into his planning and wants Grandma to know as well.  We all know how she hides her real emotions very well from her family, even in front of her Grandma.

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1 hour ago, m0us3y said:

I see a few chingus asking for translation for the meeting between GTY-ML in the Weibo preview, at the start and end. 

Couldn't seem to see any reply so I'll try with my limited understanding. If someone already responded, my apologies for double up. 

 

GTY: I must get you/ succeed in getting you. Even the heaven pity me, so opens up the opportunity to me. 

ML: That's because heaven is afraid of powerful scary people. :lol:

GTY: seriously, even when I go war, its not this complicated. I had to plan meticulously (strike in the east, while making others think I'll strike the west). Just to get a wife, I had to use all the strategem of war teachings. 

ML: u speak of this so casually. But my 5th sister reputation and sheng's reputation is at stake. 

And she walks away. 

GTY: ehhh...but I'm not done talking yet. 

ML; what do U think I am? A pig? A fish? GTY, U are a rascal! :lol:

 

Will not translate GTY/QH meeting since it has been translated earlier. 

 

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus, an elaborate scam, to push me to the corner, run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back. :lol:

 

The next meeting with GTY bowing down to her is a bit harder to understand. 

GTY: I can't say/promise how great it will for you to be married to me. But I can say this to heaven and earth, that from now on, *I think he said they will both be nobles*. 

Then he bowed and said something that I could hardly understand, but from the minimal understanding it seems like he promised that he will care for her his entire life.

:wub:

That was sweet...

Thanks for the translation.I love their bickering:wub:.In their previous interactions he did have a knack of leaving ML a little flustered.

It is the 1st time someone has beaten ML at scheming and no wonder she went ballistic.:D

I am looking forward to their witty repartee post marriage.

Though I don't understand mandarin but ML's expressions did give an

impression that she liked how GTY toiled to get her hand in marriage.

 

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1 hour ago, darkphoenix123 said:

That first part is hilarious lmao!

According to the comments under the trailer that I used Google Translate on GTY apparently worded his confession in the last part in such a way that it was rare in those days. Something to do with treating her equally or something so the confession seems sweet...

I forgot that 6th Liang said that. I no longer feel bad for QH. I had a sliver left but that’s gone too. He chased after ML even after she told him the reality in the temple but in the end it’s her who became the butt of jokes! It makes me so angry!

Hahahah. That's why I don't understand much. But I think U could be right. Rather than we will both be nobles, he could meant they would be equals. 

 

With QH, I truly felt he has done enough damage. 

ML told him multiple times that the price they have to pay is vastly different, and while QH suffered (due to his own actions...or inactions if I must say), ML also suffered, due to no fault of her's. All those nasty remarks. Thankfully she's bigger then them to let it get to her. 

 

1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Omg i just love them together so much she can be so real in front of him even more so then grandma . 

 

I know right! She just blurts our whatever she wants with him, totally no filters! 

That's why I find their relationship so precious. Just like her relationship with grandma. 

No scheming, no hiding, just honesty. 

And trust ML to have that reaction being played like that my GTY! 

Soooo cute!

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20 minutes ago, deslynn88 said:

 

Part of me wonders if ML makes a big deal about this to Grandma on purpose.  She's complaining but I have a feeling she's secretly pleased at all the effort he put into his planning and wants Grandma to know as well.  We all know how she hides her real emotions very well from her family, even in front of her Grandma.

Hahahaha. I think she's fuming because she got caught unaware. I really like it because we can also see glimpses of the child inside ML. 

Feels a lil like she went to play with him, and while he "bullied" her so she ran to grandma complaining. But she would still go back to play with him because she knows he'll yield to her in the end. 

 

And I felt she was probably truly "sold"/ believe GTY when he made his final confession in all seriousness and bow to her..

 

ML probably knows she can trust GTY because he always under promise and over deliver, and even when he does things for her, he doesn't need the entire world to know. 

While we know she has been over promised to only totally under deliver (or no delivery) in the past...

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4 hours ago, darkphoenix123 said:

The princess & her mother were killed by Consort Rong in the palace during the rebellion. It was shown in episode 34 or 35. He is now a widower. According to the spoilers, he passed the imperial exam and asked his mother about marriage to ML again & this time she agreed. But ML will be engaged already to GTY so he is asking him to back off or something like that

he is such a douchebag. like bro you already lost, let it go. And how would that look for the Sheng family is GTY  all of a sudden cancelled the wedding. QH is really a selfish spoilt child. 

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1 hour ago, frenchfan said:

I really dislike Dr He's cousin and her mum.  :triumph:

Reminded me of Linniang and Molan all over again.  "If you don't marry me, let me die.....bohoo hoo"....Kind of like Manniang as well.  So pathetic.  And you could see that Dr He is too kind hearted and got completely bought over with tears.  But I really like Minglan when she stayed firm and said that "If you choose her then you cannot have me too".  I need to be with someone who will think of me as a priority in his heart.  Otherwise, I rather not marry".  And she maintained that Dr He's solution to help the cousin by letting her stay on to help around the house not a solution.  Bravo Minglan!  At least she was clear that she will not tolerate hanky panky :smiley::thumbsup:

Atta girl Minglan!

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28 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

Hahahaha. I think she's fuming because she got caught unaware. I really like it because we can also see glimpses of the child inside ML. 

Feels a lil like she went to play with him, and while he "bullied" her so she ran to grandma complaining. But she would still go back to play with him because she knows he'll yield to her in the end. 

 

And I felt she was probably truly "sold"/ believe GTY when he made his final confession in all seriousness and bow to her..

 

ML probably knows she can trust GTY because he always under promise and over deliver, and even when he does things for her, he doesn't need the entire world to know. 

While we know she has been over promised to only totally under deliver (or no delivery) in the past...

Exactly! She behaves childishly with him, is truly open with him, gives him unsolicited advice without hesitation & really has no filter when she speaks with him. I am really looking forward to the episodes after marriage 

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1 minute ago, darkphoenix123 said:

Exactly! She behaves childishly with him, is truly open with him, gives him unsolicited advice without hesitation & really has no filter when she speaks with him. I am really looking forward to the episodes after marriage 

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Qh's plan was to wowed ml with him passing the imperial exam. And after passing the exam, he would propose to her. Did he think that ml was without any prospect at all. Didn't he hear how liang mama chasing her for her son or hear near bethrothal to dr he. He should have snatched her at an earliest possibility. He had miscalculated or did not calculate at all. That's his lost again. 

 

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1 hour ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

The real question everyone wants to know is when we will get our first kiss.. 

A kiss scene would be nice but i think we all deserved a bed scene HAHAHA if possible...

Bed + kiss. Ouu man

 

So in the spolier site, i read that GTY likes to be touchy with ML :P dont know if in the drama he will but from trailers i think he's pretty touchy. I wouldn't mind watching those scenes. 

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1 hour ago, minglan1 said:

Instead of timeline I like the idea of treeline.:D

OMG my mind is blown! this is so smart!! I'll definitely pay more attention to them now

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6 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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Qh's plan was to wowed ml with him passing the imperial exam. And after passing the exam, he would propose to her. Did he think that ml was without any prospect at all. Didn't he hear how liang mama chasing her for her son or hear near bethrothal to dr he. He should have snatched her at an earliest possibility. He had miscalculated or did not calculate at all. That's his lost again. 

 

Part of me felt he's a lil delusional. 

He probably thinks that even after his marriage, ML would wait for him...

And to say GTY isn't good enough for her...because what he heard about GTY from others?

Then maybe he should reconsider ML too because everyone in the capital were also saying that ML was first after the Qi family, and when that failed, went for Liang Family...without shame. 

He needs to be able to make his own judgement and not believe everything he hears. 

And to think that previously GTY vowed to help him at all costs...

 

I think in the preview as well, in the conversation between GTY/ QH, GTY did mention he did all he did because of her. (Not sure he meant his elaborate "scam" :lol:, or everything from going into the army and rising up the ranks so that he can go after her). So he has done a lot for ML too and will not give her up. If he meant the latter, he truly has gone the distance...

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So I am watching episode 35 with subs and the scene with GTY putting medicine on ML’s foot when Ml says how would she know about such a far away thing as her marriage GTY muttered to himself ‘You don’t know, but I do!’ Lmao. So he has been planning since then but had to hurry it up when he heard about Dr.He from CB. Truly 5 steps forward & 3 steps back.

17 minutes ago, bulubulu said:

A kiss scene would be nice but i think we all deserved a bed scene HAHAHA if possible...

Bed + kiss. Ouu man

 

So in the spolier site, i read that GTY likes to be touchy with ML :P dont know if in the drama he will but from trailers i think he's pretty touchy. I wouldn't mind watching those scenes. 

He is touchy in the trailers even in front of her maids. They look like they have a playful relationship 

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