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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Rise of Phoenixes 凰权·弈天下

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On 12/31/2018 at 12:24 PM, whisper1 said:

I agree, in RotP  Nini really shines, her comedic as well as dramatic  talents are wonderful, hard to follow up. ChenKun, what can I say? ... I watched 2 complete viewings because I couldn't  focus on anything but their pairing.

 

I can certainly  envision a second season. There are loads of threads to pull. 

I have no problem with the show deviating from the book, and many times the show is better than the source. Example: Game of Thrones, I found the show a huge improvement over the books. (Reading them was like getting unmedicated dental  work) whole storylines, characters, settings were chucked into the dustbin with good result. 

 

MTS on second season: 

FengZhiwei  is smiling way too much for a suicide. The ever loyal and vigilant  Gu Nanyi  uses his wuxia powers to save her but she is injured. He takes her to a secret location where she recuperats under his doctoring, but there is some memory loss. Oh and she is pregnant but the details escape her.

 

NingYi  soldiers on as emporor,  heartbroken without her love and estute council. Remaining celibate  despite several romantic closecalls. All the while grooming NingJi to eventually replace him so he can roam the empire trying to satisfy the question " where is her body??"

Please feel free to add on, I love a challenge to put creativity to use over the holiday. All passionate and talented members here could probably build a killer storyline!!!

 

Ps I watched Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress, I thought it a lovely film,very well done. Going to try Painted Skin.

 

 

 

Where are you watching these movies I want to watch more Chen Kun movies with english subs but dont know where I can. 

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On 2/10/2019 at 7:03 AM, violineee said:

 

I know this link for the movie The Knot (2006) with English subtitle.

http://1905.com/vod/play/85451.shtml?__hz=6e0721b2c6977135

Thank you! i already watched Balzac and the little seamtress, a westlake moment  And now im watching painted skin all of them were on youtube with english subs

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On 2/10/2019 at 2:27 AM, Omolola Lahoma Nichole said:

Im even more upset that they never even got a sex scene what the heck is up with that? Like I would've been consolable knowing that they at least made love before either of them died. Or was sex implied when FZW showed up to Ning Yi's when she had on the purple robe and he pushed her on the bed. I'm also wondering why they never showed FZW and Helian Zheng consummating their marriage. 

Sex is rarely shown on Chinese TV. I think it was implied in that scene since they seem sort of content after passage of time shot. But it's debateable. As for Helian Zheng, she volunteered to lead the army for him partially to avoid consummating their marriage, I'm pretty sure (The Queen tried to pressure her for babies before she got married and she looked pretty uncomfortable.) There wasn't enough time (or room in her heart) for their relationship to grow, and Helian Zheng didn't want to pressure her. Until she tried to leave, at which point he was just angry and frustrated and trying to get her to stay.

 

On 2/10/2019 at 2:27 AM, Omolola Lahoma Nichole said:

Is there going to be a second season? I just had a feeling that his mother wasn't really dead and maybe she will come back again and as well as FZW. 

 

Also side note is Chen Kun gay or straight? I know he has a son but never married and there seems to be rumors that he's gay but no real info online. Also does he speak english none of his interviews are in English. 

Unlikely, because the story looks pretty done, and the team don't seem the type to milk the story. Unless it's just a vastly different one, but it didn't do well commercially so uh. The OTP could potentially work together in a different project since they seems to get along really well. Ni ni could use the help.

 

There's lots of rumours about his sexuality and who knows? Does it matter? He self admitted is pretty bad at English, but I presume he knows simple stuff to get by since his kid study in NA.

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First of all, I really didn’t intend for this to go unresponed to for so long, I’m really sorry. I’ve been sick for the past few weeks, and still am, so I haven’t really had the energy to do much. Therefore this will probably be a bit messily put, and sorry in advance if I forget something.

 

On 1/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, skibbies said:

I thought only Crown Prince beats servants, Ning Yan (5th prince) likes to get foot massage or something, I can't remember what Ning Sheng's shtick was. The latter aren't as nice to their servants, but I don't think they were abusive unless they did so in fits of anger?

 

As for coercing Zhiwei, I interpret that scene differently. I thought it as him angrily lashing out as a half mock request. He was genuinely surprised when she said yes, then he got angry that she was using their relationship as bargaining chip and pushed her onto the bed (which have been mentioned is rough), and then we zoomed out. I don't think Zhiwei agreed under duress (she said she needed it as excuse to say yes), though that doesn't mean Ning Yi wasn't aggressive of course. I guess my point is Zhiwei was on level play field with Ning Yi in that scene?

 

 

This is definitely one way to interpret the scene. The thing that really does it for me though, and I realise this is something people will interpret differently, is Zhiwei’s general body language. For me, there’s just so little that suggests sleeping with Ning Yi is something she wants to do under these circumstances; she’s borderline glaring for half the scene, which Ning Yi even comments on, „Then why do you look so sad.“ The closest she gets to giving verbal consent is the „You finally gave me a reason not to run away. I don’t need to think about whether I should be with you or not.“ line, and that can be taken in a number of ways. He also didn’t push her after she brought up the Dacheng subjects, he pushed him on the bed after she said the „you gave me a reason not to run away“ thing. Either way, there really was no reason for Ning Yi to be so aggressive. 

On 1/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, skibbies said:

 

 

He said those things before he met Zhangsun Hong, he said it to Zhiwei when she wanted to go back to Tiansheng. (ep 65) He was idealistic and thought he could make her happy, but after they got married, she left the country just to avoid sleeping with him/being with him. (and also to fight a war to stablise his position but she wasn't the best candidate for it, let's be real) So, I think his entitlement just exploded in his desperation of holding onto her. The only thing he has of her is they are technically married, but that doesn't mean anything if she just leaves and go back to Ning Yi. I'm not sure if Jinshi is more egalitarian tbh, it might just manifest in different ways, we saw relatively little of Jinshi after all. (maybe they could fight in wars but still had to obey their husband?)

 

I do think the last ep broke his character though because that was an incredibly stupid plot and why would he even risk Zhiwei's life? I'm incredibly annoyed about it and wished they gave him a better ending. He could have considered the dumb scheme but backed out and died anyways, and it would have kept his character.

 

Oh, my bad then. But honestly, I’d say that’s worse in terms of writing, because then we aren’t given any on-screen reason what made him change his mind. Helian Zheng iirc didn’t get very much screentime in the Dayue arc after all, so while it would be reasonable to presume he would come to gradually fear more for Zhiwei’s safety when she was a captive in Dayue, we don’t actually get confirmation on that. Correct me if I’m wrong though, I definitely could be misremembering things. And while I’d agree that Zhiwei wasn’t the best candidate to lead the army, Helian Zheng still must have given his consent to it as the king. 
Ehh, honestly, a lot of series’ have problems like this, so I’d probably just say it’s not so well thought out worldbuilding. It’s mentioned a few of times in the earlier episodes when Helian Zheng first appeared that Jinshi is more gender egalitarian, but when the plot does go to Jinshi what we’re told and what we’re shown just doesn’t match up. It’s relatively common that when shows/books/games tries to portray a society without sexism, homophobia, racism and etc, it still ends up (in big and small ways) portraying a racist, homophobic patriarchy. Even if the intention is there, it all comes back to poor execution, and tbh I think that’s what happened here.

And yeah, the crossbow / pretend to kill Zhiwei plot was stupid.

 

On 1/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, skibbies said:

She was mourning for lost loved ones and lost romance in Jinshi, but she was pretty bold in the very brief Dayue arc. I know she's like confused half the time, but she was bold when she was clearheaded. The last 7 episodes though ahahhaha, I got through by focusing on acting and individual segment.

 

Zhangsun Hong was basically last straw that broke the camel than her having actual feelings for him or the remnants. Although I do think she feels more than what the audience feel, last blood relative + only remaining royal blood is profoundly tragic in a fleeting way? I don't know how to describe this. For remnants, it's of course responsibility. Wait wait, there was the emperor too, but that was notably dubbed over, I want to know what he actually said to her before! As is, it's more pseudo-parallels that barely make sense and furthering her guilt.

 

Her suicide for me made sense because:

1. depression like you said, she felt responsible for every single death that she had connection to, even if she didn't cause them.

2. her identity is a huge, huge weakness to Ning Yi. People can use it to attack him (he's connected to old dynasty? or try to kill Zhiwei, in secret maybe, because of who she is? or even if not, it'd be difficult for her to marry him. Not to mention the whole Queen of Jinshi thing, even if it's relatively minor in comparison.) It's not just out of love too, she believes he can achieve their ambition, but she's in the way. (again, she interalise problems)

3. even if they married, I don't think she'd be happy in palace because typically empress can't interfere with court, especially one with yknow, her identity. Ning Yi can certainly consult her in private, but it'd be a shame. There's also the whole sharing her husband with other women thing, since Ning Yi will need them for a) more chance of sons who will survive b) control the court, he'll marry daughters of powerful government official to ensure loyalty/establish closeness.

4. Ning Yi seem like the kind of person who will try find her even if she fakes her death, since she's the only person he's close with who's left. 

 

Of course, they totally could have planned it more. I want those scenes they shown in the documentary!! I think that explains their thought process/feelings which would at least give closure. (please watch the documentaries on youtube if you haven't! They are in either Ning Yi's or Zhiwei's, also it's just good documentary.) I totally get if suicide seems OOC to you though, since others have said so before too. (I will take her faking death and just staying away though.)

 

I did phrase it poorly, but I don’t have an inherent problem with Zhiwei ending up commiting suicide, narratively speaking. I do think that Zhiwei commiting suicide is a more realistic ending for the series, even if it is of course very tragic. And I totally get what you’re saying about feeling responsible about the deaths of the people around her, and being a problem for Ning Yi as emperor (personally, I thought that was one of the things in the later episodes that the series managed to better get across). The main problem I have with it is the way it was all done and - at least in some ways - what led up to it. I don’t know if this is strictly true in terms of screentime, but when I was watching the last 20-25 episodes it definitely felt like Zhiwei was being more and more sidelined in favour of Ning Yi, and while that is partly understandable because of his scheming with the Jinshi/Dayue people, it does come at the cost of Zhiwei general character development after losing her family. Ultimately, I just feel like we should have seen more of her viewpoint. Mingying and Feng Hao’s deaths, and being betrayed by her country and people she thought she could trust (Xin Ziyan and Ning Shizeng) were a big turning point in Zhiwei’s life and arc, and the effect that had on her just wasn’t focused on enough. It’s not so much that the ending itself bothered me. This was ultimately what I meant by that I felt like that the writing post episode 54 was not well executed, and that it was like Zhiwei changed archetypes. At the same time, reading my original post, this really didn’t come across well. My bad, I hope this is clearer.    

 

Honestly, looking back on what I wrote, I’m kinda grossed out by what I said, about Zhiwei „losing her intelligence“, becoming passive, etc. I’m sorry if anyone took offense to to that, it’s really not an ok thing to say. I’ve been depressed myself, so in retrospect I should have caught onto that sooner. 

 

When it comes to Zhangsun Hong, I don’t think it’s strange at all that she ended up bonding with a person like him - with her feeling guilty about Mingying and Feng Hao’s death, and probably yearning to have relatives or a family of her own - but I do find it weird that she wasn’t more wary of him in the beginning. I might have to rewatch some of the episodes, but considering how much Zhiwei has been betrayed and generally screwed over over the course of the series, it was a bit odd to see how she took the information he gave her almost face value. Does she even question his identity as being her biological brother or a prince of Dacheng? But again, it's been a while since I've rewatched the series, and I've been sick a while so I could be misremembering things. Also, yeah I have watched two of the documentaries on youtube. One was an interview with Ni Ni about Zhiwei, the other about Ning Yi. You're right, they're great!

 

On 1/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, skibbies said:

Agreed on Hua Qiong's death and lack of closure there. I really think she had a different ending initially? it's like they just needed her out of the picture but didn't know how? (sort of like how Yan Huaishi just dropped off face of the earth without a mention and you are just meant to extrapolate that he stayed behind in Minhai for some reason)

 

She had better fate in the books though.

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IDK if you read she was raped in Dayue, if that's what you mean by worse fate. Because that wasn't her, it's someone else that Prince of An was using to test Zhiwei's (fake) amnesia. She was the general of the army that helped establish Zhiwei's kingdom. Survived till the end and happily married to Yan Huaishi.

 

 

Yeah, I read she was made a general of Tiansheng (somehow... I just assumed they’d changed her character/backstory for the show. I’ve seen people who’s said to have read the books say she came from a military family in Tiansheng) Anyways, what I read was that she lost a battle or something, and then was raped and murdered. Nice to know it wasn't like that in the books, but now Im also glad the book plot wasn't in the show. 

 

On 1/23/2019 at 8:27 PM, skibbies said:

I agree it seems off. In-universe explanation for Jinshi is they are all fairly straightforward, so there's not much political scheming. Out-of-universe explanation is the writers had to avoid Jinshi because it involves minorities and that's a touchy subject for SARFT (the gov agency that all media broadcasted in China have to go through).

 

Personally I think they could have just deleted the arcs =w= They are meant to be foreshadowing for all three countries becoming one under Ning Yi's reign, but he never gets there, and he doesn't even get alliances out of them. As a comparison, in the book, Zhiwei gets Jinshi and Dayue as allies. Former cos they are friends, latter cos she helped him get the throne and he admires her ability. The latter is kind of flimsy but there was a peace treaty for x number of years with Tiansheng (? iirc), while he's busy grabbing for the throne, and he does help her later.

Jinshi people are mentioned to be like that? Huh,  unless this was mentioned in the short-documentaries on youtube, I completely missed that. 

 

The book ending sounds way better, then. I also thought the show could have handled the unification plot better. Can't imagine Ning Yi becoming allies with Jinshi in the show, seeing as he killed their king. Even if he covered it up, Helian Zheng still died on Tiansheng land. Wouldn't be surprised if he pissed off some Dayue people too, and the Dayue king might even think he had a part in killing Jin Siyu. 

 

On 2/2/2019 at 7:11 PM, Diaroadic said:

Wait, do you think Jin Siyu actually raped FZ? I don't. He knew who she was and that Helian Zhang was at his gates - also that Ning Yi's army was close by. Crazy as he was, even he realized he'd have to 'marry' her to have his way.

What, no. What gave you that impression?

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4 hours ago, yshtola said:

First of all, I really didn’t intend for this to go unresponed to for so long, I’m really sorry. I’ve been sick for the past few weeks, and still am, so I haven’t really had the energy to do much. Therefore this will probably be a bit messily put, and sorry in advance if I forget something.

Oh no. I hope you get better soon! Don't worry about responding late.

 

4 hours ago, yshtola said:

The thing that really does it for me though, and I realise this is something people will interpret differently, is Zhiwei’s general body language.

You are totally right about body language mhmm. It's a complicated scene and I think I was focused on the fact Zhiwei knew this was last time they'll see each other and only time they would be intimate. Extrapolating from the book, book Zhiwei had a similar scene (different circumstances though) where she use the chance to sleep together to give them closure, but Ning Yi is totally clueless that's her intention. So there's lot on her mind and lack of enthusiasm didn't seem jarring to me.

 

Then there's the whole verbal consent is not really a thing in these settings. Even modern China, there's often sense of shame and guilt if you try to seem like you want sex. Anyways, the drama have been very roundabout when it comes to expression affection or intimacy, so what Zhiwei said was consent to me. 

 

I'm not particularly happy with the scene tbh, the execution isn't great. I would be happy if the scene portrayed all this nuances, but I feel like it's more like a short scene that have somewhat confusing directing + writing + acting that leads to these different intepretations. alas.

 

4 hours ago, yshtola said:

Helian Zheng iirc didn’t get very much screentime in the Dayue heonarc after all, so while it would be reasonable to presume he would come to gradually fear more for Zhiwei’s safety when she was a captive in Dayue, we don’t actually get confirmation on that. Correct me if I’m wrong though, I definitely could be misremembering things. And while I’d agree that Zhiwei wasn’t the best candidate to lead the army, Helian Zheng still must have given his consent to it as the king. 
Ehh, honestly, a lot of series’ have problems like this, so I’d probably just say it’s not so well thought out worldbuilding. It’s mentioned a few of times in the earlier episodes when Helian Zheng first appeared that Jinshi is more gender egalitarian, but when the plot does go to Jinshi what we’re told and what we’re shown just doesn’t match up. It’s relatively common that when shows/books/games tries to portray a society without sexism, homophobia, racism and etc, it still ends up (in big and small ways) portraying a racist, homophobic patriarchy. Even if the intention is there, it all comes back to poor execution, and tbh I think that’s what happened here.

And yeah, the crossbow / pretend to kill Zhiwei plot was stupid.

He shows up in dialogue in initial Dayue arc, because Prince of An want to use Zhiwei to threaten him, so he cares. Well he has to since it's his Queen. He does show up to help with the rescue but his role is minimised to prop Ning Yi up more. Helian Zheng trust Zhiwei and does treat her as an equal in the beginning, and when he consent that she leads the army.

 

I think Helian Zheng boast that women in Jinshi can do anything men can, unlike women in Tiansheng who are all frail and weak. But he's a dude, so he would be blind to other ways his country is sexist towards women. Also because I think this was a writer's attempt to make his character more "realistic" and swerve little too hard. Because him being a dumb puppy (I say this with affection, I promise) isn't enough, let's make his ingrained misogynist explode at the most inopportune time. I honestly think his character trajectory could work, the writing just needed more polishing.

 

4 hours ago, yshtola said:

The main problem I have with it is the way it was all done and - at least in some ways - what led up to it.

You are totally right. The execution for last 25 episodes was just steady decline. I can't agree harder regarding Zhiwei being sidelined, which was my biggest complaint about this drama. I love Ning Yi, I do, he's a great multifaceted character, but he already was in the first half of the drama by sheer screentime and focus. So I don't know why Ning Yi have to be the "hero" in these minor arcs too, especially when Zhiwei's shining arc (Minhai) was cut. I'm okay with Ning Yi as the protagonist and focus because that's how the drama decide to do it, but I wish it didn't mean everything surrounding Zhiwei had less focus, worse writing, more problems. Especially when they've been trying to sell a fairly equal Ning Yi-Zhiwei relationship the whole drama.

 

idk why she took Zhangsun Hong at face value. Might be catatonic from all the deaths? Probably bad writing and they just cut out way too much in the last arc. They could have sprinkled more foreshadowing for Zhangsun Hong/Huo Feng gang towards first half of the drama too.

 

4 hours ago, yshtola said:

I’ve seen people who’s said to have read the books say she came from a military family in Tiansheng.

??? lol no. She's just some girl who's a childhood friend of Yan Huaishi (but not rich like him), and had a crush on him, and later married him by using a trick to force the elders to agree. (Yan Huaishi liked her as a friend, she helped him wrestle the head of family position so he wanted to provide her a good life. It's complicated.) They changed her background somewhat, but most of her story was just glossed over in Minhai. Mama Qiu was a general and had an army that disbanded and scattered, which Hua Qiong picked up at some point while helping Zhiwei fight against Ning Yi.

 

4 hours ago, yshtola said:

Jinshi people are mentioned to be like that? Huh,  unless this was mentioned in the short-documentaries on youtube, I completely missed that. 

Nah. That's just extrapolated from how Jinshi people act and their simple schemes.

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On 1/22/2019 at 7:09 PM, yshtola said:

The Dayue arc had the opposite problem, being very long with very little happening. For me it felt kinda like the entire arc was one big conversation, while the actual.... action happened off-screen.

@yshtola I guess I'm unclear that you meant by 'the actual...action.'  

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Hello! New here and also a kind of newbie at cdramas

 

I just finished tRoF (i already 've heard about the novel), and im kinda still influenced by everything in the show (i got very much into the story i guess).

 

So, here are my few points:

 

First of all, i loved the character of Ning Yi as much as i loved Chen Kun as NY. The only time that confused me in a very bad way- guess its mostly director's fault and less the actor's- was about the end, where we can see Ning Yi acting as if he 's lost his mind.

Ok, the man is an idealist, he was constantly in shock while he was trying to avenge the losses, the injustice, by avoiding harming innocent people but inevitably they were harmed-as it happens in life, its natural for someone with such values and ideas for a perfect world, to experience the reality shock, but i found his reactions a bit weird.

 

Especially during the scene in the royal bedroom, where the couple meets, we can hear him talking about his dream empire, about justice etc, and next moment he talks about how much he wants ZW and all her lifetimes. He speaks nonsense at that time, or it was so bad montage that ruined the scene performance.

A man who has been isolated for 8 years, then struggles for revenge, for justice, for all he values, mostly for protecting his loved ones (ok, mostly for keeping ZW alive), that kind of man has gone through a lot and still struggles to escape his fate but most important to escape the previous emperor's profile which always haunts him. NY, cant accept life losses, yet people die as very wisely his teacher said at the end. But all this reality shock, can excuse the fact that we see a total different person only in one episode. People dont change like that (even if we accept that kind of weird change).

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Then it was the rushed ending: i think that its most dramas prefer tragic endings to shock audience and thats all. Its ok but when its rushed it ruins the whole story. Killing ZW at the end (from the point of direction and script), was like deleting everything that NY did the whole time since he was 8 (when he promised he will do everything to keep the infant-that time-alive): to keep ZW alive.

There was no catharsis, not nothing. Just a typical closure at the end, with him at the stairs, (reminded me of Princess Wei young ending), and that was so cheap for an epic drama like TROF. It was soapy, rushed, empty of emotions, just some words before ending titles.

 

 

Last but not least,  a love like that, went through so much blood, fights, plots, death, and only a single funny kiss under the sea? Really?

 

We hardly watched some half-of -a -hug moments, ok thats nice too, it keeps the audience begging for more, but its silly for adults to not have even a night together (im not counting the final bedroom scene where nothing seemed to happen with all that sadness surrounding the couple).

 70 episodes are a looooot for a couple, and when you want to develop the relationship (which happened to some point), you ve got to develop  the body language too, the expressions, the caresses, otherwise we re not talking for a couple but for two people who are so very close to each other and thats all.

 

I ll come back for more -my head is full of phoenixes darkness right now so i cant put my thoughts in order- lol!

 

Happy to be here and nice to meet you all!

 

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Hi I’m new to the forum.  I just finished series with so many questions like the little wool satche that NY had that ended up in FZ hands what is the meaning of the little purse? 

 

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On 2/15/2019 at 5:53 PM, skibbies said:

Sex is rarely shown on Chinese TV. I think it was implied in that scene since they seem sort of content after passage of time shot. But it's debateable. As for Helian Zheng, she volunteered to lead the army for him partially to avoid consummating their marriage, I'm pretty sure (The Queen tried to pressure her for babies before she got married and she looked pretty uncomfortable.) There wasn't enough time (or room in her heart) for their relationship to grow, and Helian Zheng didn't want to pressure her. Until she tried to leave, at which point he was just angry and frustrated and trying to get her to stay.

 

Unlikely, because the story looks pretty done, and the team don't seem the type to milk the story. Unless it's just a vastly different one, but it didn't do well commercially so uh. The OTP could potentially work together in a different project since they seems to get along really well. Ni ni could use the help.

 

There's lots of rumours about his sexuality and who knows? Does it matter? He self admitted is pretty bad at English, but I presume he knows simple stuff to get by since his kid study in NA.

Yea that is what I've come to learn. I was very disaapointed it felt like a tease the entire time and that kiss underwater seemed oddly placed. Like the town just got bombed and they kiss for the first time? Weird

 

I recently found a video of him speaking english on a game show. It was ok but you can tell he isn't fluent at all. I wonder about his sexuality because I have a huge crush on him lol. 

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1 hour ago, Omolola Lahoma Nichole said:

Yea that is what I've come to learn. I was very disaapointed it felt like a tease the entire time and that kiss underwater seemed oddly placed. Like the town just got bombed and they kiss for the first time? Weird

 

I recently found a video of him speaking english on a game show. It was ok but you can tell he isn't fluent at all. I wonder about his sexuality because I have a huge crush on him lol. 

I read he have a son. I don't think he was ever marry?? He is pretty good at keeping his private life VERY private too. So, I am not sure?? But he is a fantastic actor!!!! You should watch him in Hua Mulan with Zhao Wei, he is great in there too. The movie was good.

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I think Chen Kun is in love with Ni Ni for several reasons. One was his essay on Ni Ni’s role as Azi in the movie “Wukong”. Another was a clip of him and Ni Ni on the ship during filming. He was talking to her when she looked away and seemed a little uncomfortable. This did not look like a scene from the series. Not long after he posted on Weibo that there was a little girl who said he was a little old for her. He added a  picture of himself with caption on there saying he was a little heartbroken. In September 2018,  he posted that he was in Nanjing and that he liked the city and he liked the people here (Ni Ni lives there). He later removed the quotes from the post, but someone posted a picture of his original post and quite humorously added this quote from TROP,  “There is no one more awkward than you in the entire world.”  In January, he posted that he was oddly nervous and liked it.  2 weeks later posted that when he is nervous, he stutters and that he stuttered 3 times that day. 2 days later he posted that an actress wanted to get coffee at his work, but that he happened to be away at a meeting when she got there. He said that maybe coffee was more important than seeing him. We later learn that this actress was Ni Ni. 

 

Lol. I think there are plenty of evidences that he likes Ni Ni, but there are fewer evidences that Ni Ni likes him. But they were holding hands and seemed to have eyes only for each other on the Happy Camp show, so who knows.

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On 2/24/2019 at 1:40 PM, MLM said:

Hi I’m new to the forum.  I just finished series with so many questions like the little wool satche that NY had that ended up in FZ hands what is the meaning of the little purse? 

 

 

In ancient China a lot of people would carry around these little fragrance satchels. They are usually exchanged between lovers to signify their affections for each other because the satchels are considered intimate/personal belongings. I think Zhiwei inadvertently grabbed it from Ning Yi when they were in that dark room and in the confusion it seemed like Ning Yi was the one who gave it to her. She later carries it within her robes, which is a bold thing to do considering how significant the item is. It kind of counts as her accepting his affections for her. That's why Ning Yi is kind of shocked when he finds out she still had it, but since he inadvertently gave it to her, neither of them can be certain of what kind of relationship they are in.

 

 

1 hour ago, Neil Bohrs said:

I think Chen Kun is in love with Ni Ni for several reasons. One was his essay on Ni Ni’s role as Azi in the movie “Wukong”. Another was a clip of him and Ni Ni on the ship during filming. He was talking to her when she looked away and seemed a little uncomfortable. This did not look like a scene from the series. Not long after he posted on Weibo that there was a little girl who said he was a little old for her. He added a  picture of himself with caption on there saying he was a little heartbroken. In September 2018,  he posted that he was in Nanjing and that he liked the city and he liked the people here (Ni Ni lives there). He later removed the quotes from the post, but someone posted a picture of his original post and quite humorously added this quote from TROP,  “There is no one more awkward than you in the entire world.”  In January, he posted that he was oddly nervous and liked it.  2 weeks later posted that when he is nervous, he stutters and that he stuttered 3 times that day. 2 days later he posted that an actress wanted to get coffee at his work, but that he happened to be away at a meeting when she got there. He said that maybe coffee was more important than seeing him. We later learn that this actress was Ni Ni. 

 

Lol. I think there are plenty of evidences that he likes Ni Ni, but there are fewer evidences that Ni Ni likes him. But they were holding hands and seemed to have eyes only for each other on the Happy Camp show, so who knows.

Oh wow you really compiled an entire timeline loool I admire your dedication.

There are a lot of behind the scenes pictures too. I really want to ship them, but it's so dangerous to ship real people. We should probably stick to the characters instead to avoid infringing upon their personal lives.

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On 2/25/2019 at 11:22 PM, Neil Bohrs said:

I think Chen Kun is in love with Ni Ni for several reasons. One was his essay on Ni Ni’s role as Azi in the movie “Wukong”. Another was a clip of him and Ni Ni on the ship during filming. He was talking to her when she looked away and seemed a little uncomfortable. This did not look like a scene from the series. Not long after he posted on Weibo that there was a little girl who said he was a little old for her. He added a  picture of himself with caption on there saying he was a little heartbroken. In September 2018,  he posted that he was in Nanjing and that he liked the city and he liked the people here (Ni Ni lives there). He later removed the quotes from the post, but someone posted a picture of his original post and quite humorously added this quote from TROP,  “There is no one more awkward than you in the entire world.”  In January, he posted that he was oddly nervous and liked it.  2 weeks later posted that when he is nervous, he stutters and that he stuttered 3 times that day. 2 days later he posted that an actress wanted to get coffee at his work, but that he happened to be away at a meeting when she got there. He said that maybe coffee was more important than seeing him. We later learn that this actress was Ni Ni. 

 

Lol. I think there are plenty of evidences that he likes Ni Ni, but there are fewer evidences that Ni Ni likes him. But they were holding hands and seemed to have eyes only for each other on the Happy Camp show, so who knows.

 

There are lots of bts clips where you can see their intimate moments (i ve run into one when he is holding her tightly and whispering stuff)

Oh my! Im still in the mood of RoTP and i dont seem to get out of it !

:wub:

 

Back to the drama, i think there were more kissing scenes - ive heard director's comments in bts clips about kissing- but i guess they didnt want to give extra time to the couple, maybe they wanted to focus on the political side of the story, or there might be due to restrictions. Netflix may give a director's cut video later, dont know, but they usually do

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On 2/27/2019 at 7:50 AM, Vals Stor said:

 

Lol. I think there are plenty of evidences that he likes Ni Ni, but there are fewer evidences that Ni Ni likes him. But they were holding hands and seemed to have eyes only for each other on the Happy Camp show, so who knows.

It looks to me that they like each other, which is great for their audience - their chemistry is phenomenal. The bts videos show quite a few instances of Ni Ni raining kisses on CK's face or snuggling up to him. There's one long embrace where she seems emotional and he is holding her and whispering advice, also the interview where she's moved to tears speaking of the depth of NY's and FZ's love. CK's weibo posts seem like banter; he's notoriously private about his personal life. 

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On 2/25/2019 at 6:24 PM, tendrilsofwind said:

Hi I’m new to the forum.  I just finished series with so many questions like the little wool satche that NY had that ended up in FZ hands what is the meaning of the little purse? 

The blogger thefeastandthefast clarified the wool sachet exchange in a way that makes sense of that scene, as follows: 

    She grabs the wool sachet, he looks at it for a sec then pushes it into her hand towards her chest - finally an acknowledgement of his feelings for her. This is reinforced when Zhiwei uses the sachet during court to talk about intermarriage as one solution to the Dayue problem. And in the beginning, NY uses Gu Yan'swife's sachet as way to reach him emotionally.

    So the gifting of these sachets seem to carry the meaning of emotional sincerity. It was as if she was asking do you mean this? Or are you just playing around?

 

 

 

 

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The wool pouch: so then the question remains who gave Ning Yi the pouch to begin with.  Also the scene on the bridge, where she is leaving the capital and Ning yi grabs her face I read that as “no choice” situation for both of them. I think they both realize that she has to go, because to stay would be th3 end of zw and his focus has always been for her to stay alive.  

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These pouches seem to belong to women - mothers, wives - who give them to their husbands and/or sons. My impression is that the wool pouch belonged to NY's mother -XY observes that NY always had it with him. There's also the scene built around a letter Ning Qi receives in a pouch belonging to his mother.

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On 3/3/2019 at 11:27 AM, Diaroadic said:

These pouches seem to belong to women - mothers, wives - who give them to their husbands and/or sons. My impression is that the wool pouch belonged to NY's mother -XY observes that NY always had it with him. There's also the scene built around a letter Ning Qi receives in a pouch belonging to his mother.

 

I agree with you on that one. That scene is simple and wonderful for all the obvious reasons. I particularly  enjoyed " aren't  you tired? I'm  so tired" NingYi  is right on point,   tired of the intrigue, the struggle, the threats  to both of them. Between the neck nuzzling and that purring male voice I could envision something beyond napping lol. Chen Kun 's voice as NingYi  has a quality that could melt stainless steel. A calm, controlled, lovely male rumble ( sounds like it is coming from other side of the bed)

 

I was wondering if anyone else thinks the little ceramic creature FengZhiwei  buys and gives to Ning Yi  is the Maneki Neco or " the black beckoning cat"?   said to beckon  a person to safety from a storm.

 

As a western viewer I have enjoyed educating myself through RotP,  I learn new things everytime I watch it. 

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