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On 3/22/2017 at 9:06 PM, zantac_2 said:

^you made me google the hell out of nazi germany lol. so many different views and opinions. dont know what to believe in anymore. but i cant be bothered spending years reading well regarded unbiased sources on the topic.

 

If i can help you cut down "years" of reading to just one day of videos, then i would recommend this documentary,

 

Check it out and let me know what you think.

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^watched half of it so far. will watch the other half soon.

edit: alright just finished it. its a good doco through the eyes of germany at that time. but that for me discredits the doco as well, as i cant take a biased view seriously. a lot of the facts presented i do not know about and have to cross check with more reliable sources. in other words, im just as clueless as before i watched it lol. what i got from it though was that the allied forces were just as bad if not worse (assuming there is somewhat truth to the facts presented).

its amazing how 'successful' the ethnic cleansing of nazi germany was. at the height of nazi germany, it seems like the majority of the population agreed and flourished to hitlers socialist regime. how many have actually survived? and has anyone of them told their side of the story which coincides with the facts presented in the doco? but i guess its next to impossible given how badly portrayed nazis are and many documents seems to be hidden or have been destroyed.
with the fabrication of the gas chambers, what would have been russias motive in doing so? seems like reparations are only made to the jewish people.

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On 3/27/2017 at 11:33 PM, zantac_2 said:

^watched half of it so far. will watch the other half soon.

edit: alright just finished it. its a good doco through the eyes of germany at that time. but that for me discredits the doco as well, as i cant take a biased view seriously. a lot of the facts presented i do not know about and have to cross check with more reliable sources. in other words, im just as clueless as before i watched it lol. what i got from it though was that the allied forces were just as bad if not worse (assuming there is somewhat truth to the facts presented).

its amazing how 'successful' the ethnic cleansing of nazi germany was. at the height of nazi germany, it seems like the majority of the population agreed and flourished to hitlers socialist regime. how many have actually survived? and has anyone of them told their side of the story which coincides with the facts presented in the doco? but i guess its next to impossible given how badly portrayed nazis are and many documents seems to be hidden or have been destroyed.
with the fabrication of the gas chambers, what would have been russias motive in doing so? seems like reparations are only made to the jewish people.

 

That's a fair review of the documentary.  For what it's worth, you now have biased opinions from both sides of the story rather than just biased opinion from one side.  I don't think we can ever know the full truth because like you said, a lot of evidence would have been destroyed by now.  A lot of people from that era are also no longer with us today.   That said, I think it's fair to say the full truth lays somewhere in between the two stories.

Definitely the Allies were just as bad.  In war, there are no good guys.  Guantanamo Bay.  People held without the right to challenge the legality of their detention and almost certainly water boarded and tortured.  

Are you familiar with American Eugenics and the Rockefellers monopoly of world wide drug manufacturing in those days?

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/history_of_the_pharma_cartel.html

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

You can google more sources if you find those biased.

In summary, the Rockefellers funded the Nazi eugenics program… in part because they were performing their own eugenics program in the USA.  Hitler followed the American Eugenics program with much interest and ultimately put it into motion in Germany himself.  The Rockefellers were the leading drug manufacturers in the world at the time rivaled by only the Nazi’s.  Hitler and the Rockefellers were essentially drug testing on humans and both harbored “a master race” ideology.

Following the war, the Nuremberg trials handed the Nazi eugenics program to the Rockefellers and the Rockefellers monopolized drug manufacturing in the Western World.

What waters down the truth in American public school systems is the fact the Rockefellers controlled the American education system through the Rockefeller Foundation.  In addition to monopolizing oil and drug industries, the Rockefellers wrote the American public school curriculum.  They control what was/is taught in schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board

http://rockefeller100.org/exhibits/show/education/general_education_board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Foundation

When i see Donald Trump fighting universal health care to create competition and bring down costs for the users, i'm cheering for him.  You've got establishment hacks like Paul Ryan helping BIg Pharma sabotage Trump's efforts.  The Mainstream Media piles on Trump headlining that Trumpcare failed when it was actually Ryancare that failed.  That's just sad.

 

On 3/27/2017 at 11:33 PM, zantac_2 said:


with the fabrication of the gas chambers, what would have been russias motive in doing so? seems like reparations are only made to the jewish people.

 

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/pact-between-hitler-and-stalin-paved-way-world-war-ii-was-signed-75-years-ago

I think that is a pretty good read.

Again, many people didn't know Stalin and Hitler were allies to start WW2.  The Soviets conquered Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, parts of Ukraine and Poland.  They also tried to conquer Finland.  Both countries were allegedly annihilating old regime leaders and apparently the Jews as well.  Don't forget the "Great Purge" where the Soviet Union went berserk flushing out political revolutionaries.  Many Jews fled the Soviet Union at this time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Stalin's anti-semitism has been well recorded,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

It was convenient to frame Hitler and make him out to be the bad guy (since he's already dead).  Also, the West allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler and likely didn't want to be known to have allied with such a crook.  They wanted the Western World to only know about Hitler.  They did not want their own populations to know one of their Allies was just as brutal and bad to Jews.  In all likelihood, the Soviet gulags were probably more horrific than the Nazi concentration camps.

But to end this post, would the fabrication of the gas chambers mean 6-million Jews didn't die like many Holocaust deniers claim?  And that the whole Holocaust story was invented to win sympathy from countries in the UN which ultimately paved the way for them to establish the Jewish State of Israel?  Or perhaps 6-million jews did die but a large majority were actually killed in the Soviet gulags and Stalin pushed the blame to Hitler?

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22 hours ago, Tuffcore said:

 

That's a fair review of the documentary.  For what it's worth, you now have biased opinions from both sides of the story rather than just biased opinion from one side.  I don't think we can ever know the full truth because like you said, a lot of evidence would have been destroyed by now.  A lot of people from that era are also no longer with us today.   That said, I think it's fair to say the full truth lays somewhere in between the two stories.

Definitely the Allies were just as bad.  In war, there are no good guys.  Guantanamo Bay.  People held without the right to challenge the legality of their detention and almost certainly water boarded and tortured.  

Are you familiar with American Eugenics and the Rockefellers monopoly of world wide drug manufacturing in those days?

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/history_of_the_pharma_cartel.html

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/unwanted-sterilization-and-eugenics-programs-in-the-united-states/

You can google more sources if you find those biased.

In summary, the Rockefellers funded the Nazi eugenics program… in part because they were performing their own eugenics program in the USA.  Hitler followed the American Eugenics program with much interest and ultimately put it into motion in Germany himself.  The Rockefellers were the leading drug manufacturers in the world at the time rivaled by only the Nazi’s.  Hitler and the Rockefellers were essentially drug testing on humans and both harbored “a master race” ideology.

Following the war, the Nuremberg trials handed the Nazi eugenics program to the Rockefellers and the Rockefellers monopolized drug manufacturing in the Western World.

What waters down the truth in American public school systems is the fact the Rockefellers controlled the American education system through the Rockefeller Foundation.  In addition to monopolizing oil and drug industries, the Rockefellers wrote the American public school curriculum.  They control what was/is taught in schools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board

http://rockefeller100.org/exhibits/show/education/general_education_board

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_Foundation

When i see Donald Trump fighting universal health care to create competition and bring down costs for the users, i'm cheering for him.  You've got establishment hacks like Paul Ryan helping BIg Pharma sabotage Trump's efforts.  The Mainstream Media piles on Trump headlining that Trumpcare failed when it was actually Ryancare that failed.  That's just sad.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-08-21/pact-between-hitler-and-stalin-paved-way-world-war-ii-was-signed-75-years-ago

I think that is a pretty good read.

Again, many people didn't know Stalin and Hitler were allies to start WW2.  The Soviets conquered Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, parts of Ukraine and Poland.  They also tried to conquer Finland.  Both countries were allegedly annihilating old regime leaders and apparently the Jews as well.  Don't forget the "Great Purge" where the Soviet Union went berserk flushing out political revolutionaries.  Many Jews fled the Soviet Union at this time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

Stalin's anti-semitism has been well recorded,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

It was convenient to frame Hitler and make him out to be the bad guy (since he's already dead).  Also, the West allied with Stalin to defeat Hitler and likely didn't want to be known to have allied with such a crook.  They wanted the Western World to only know about Hitler.  They did not want their own populations to know one of their Allies was just as brutal and bad to Jews.  In all likelihood, the Soviet gulags were probably more horrific than the Nazi concentration camps.

But to end this post, would the fabrication of the gas chambers mean 6-million Jews didn't die like many Holocaust deniers claim?  And that the whole Holocaust story was invented to win sympathy from countries in the UN which ultimately paved the way for them to establish the Jewish State of Israel?  Or perhaps 6-million jews did die but a large majority were actually killed in the Soviet gulags and Stalin pushed the blame to Hitler?

 

The Allies were just as bad as the Axis? Are you insane? You'd sure as hell rather be in an Allies POW camp than a USSR POW camp. Are you a Holocaust denier? Gas chambers were fabricated? There was a new counting that discovered MASSIVE more concentration camps ever compiled before.

Additionally, there's a lot of evidence pointing towards Hitler having a desire to conquer the U.S.S.R. ('living space') and making the alliance with him to catch him off guard for the sudden invasion he conducted.

Lastly, you should bless your lucky stars that Trumpcare wasn't instituted. Unless you're affluent and it doesn't apply to you. 

Your delusion scares me.

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after my last reply, i continued reading a little more about the subject albeit lightly. but i am convinced now that what weve been taught about the nazis treatment of the jews is reliable. some facts maybe a little inaccurate, but i no longer have reasonable doubt. it was one of the subjects presented in the doco that had me wondering, hence why i searched further.

thanks for the links to the further reading of eugenics and the rockerfellars tuffcore. but im going to stop here. ive spent more time than i would have liked reading. was starting to get nightmares of being in a gas chamber myself lol.

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10 hours ago, interfell said:

 

The Allies were just as bad as the Axis? Are you insane? You'd sure as hell rather be in an Allies POW camp than a USSR POW camp.

 

But a USSR POW camp is an Allies POW camp.

 

10 hours ago, interfell said:

Are you a Holocaust denier? Gas chambers were fabricated? There was a new counting that discovered MASSIVE more concentration camps ever compiled before.

Additionally, there's a lot of evidence pointing towards Hitler having a desire to conquer the U.S.S.R. ('living space') and making the alliance with him to catch him off guard for the sudden invasion he conducted.


For the record, i'm not a holocaust denier per se.  I began my reply to zantac with, "I think it's fair to say the full truth lays somewhere in between the two stories".

There's evidence to suggest Hitler killed all of his enemies, not just Jews in particular.  Hitler also really hated communists, homosexuals, gypsies, etc. Many many concentration camps have been discovered.  Thousands, but not every one was equipped with gas chambers.  Last i checked, there were only four camps that allegedly had gas chambers.  That said, maybe even worse things happened in the other camps.

I'm coming from an open minded perspective on Hitler mostly because winners write history and losers do not.  I believe we may never know the full truth. 

The whole "gas chambers were fabricated" thing is not my take on the situation.  I was merely replying zantac with possible reasons for the fabrication.  It was a piece done in the documentary i posted.  Did you have a chance to watch it?  (For the record, i don't believe everything in the documentary.  I only present it as a good perspective/information from the other side.  There are a lot of truths despite its flaws as well.)

 

10 hours ago, interfell said:

Lastly, you should bless your lucky stars that Trumpcare wasn't instituted. Unless you're affluent and it doesn't apply to you. 

Your delusion scares me.

 

We haven't even seen Trumpcare yet so there's nothing to comment on.  We've only seen Ryancare.

If it makes any difference, i'm not even American.  I live in Canada and live under a public health care system.  It certainly has it’s pro’s and con’s.

The Pro, it’s “free”!

The Con, it’s “free”.  There’s no other option.  Good or bad, that’s all there is.  No one gets to pay for better service if they can afford it.  The system also gets abused to a degree because it’s free.  Hospitals are overloaded with very minor health problems.  Emergency wait times are 2 to 7 hours in most major cities.  Special treatment that require advance hospital booking have expected wait times of 15 to 38 weeks.  I once had a co-worker who messed up his knee skiing.  He had to limp around on one leg for 16 months waiting for his MRI appointment.  If I have money and i need anything done, then i'll fly to the States or Asia to get it done.

 

4 hours ago, zantac_2 said:

after my last reply, i continued reading a little more about the subject albeit lightly. but i am convinced now that what weve been taught about the nazis treatment of the jews is reliable. some facts maybe a little inaccurate, but i no longer have reasonable doubt. it was one of the subjects presented in the doco that had me wondering, hence why i searched further.

thanks for the links to the further reading of eugenics and the rockerfellars tuffcore. but im going to stop here. ive spent more time than i would have liked reading. was starting to get nightmares of being in a gas chamber myself lol.

 

Hey no problem.  Finding links to post also helped me learn a lot more on the subject as well.  I'm glad we went back and forth a bit on this topic.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/09/all-of-trumps-campaign-statements-just-vanished-from-his-website-so-lets-remember-them/?utm_term=.7deb775e8019#comments

All of Trump’s campaign statements just vanished from his website. So let’s remember them.

By Avi Selk May 9 at 6:09 PM

The Trump campaign website got an upgrade this week. According to a news release from the president's reelection campaign (yes, already), it's now a one-stop shop for “fact-based information” that the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about.

On donaldjtrump.com, you can check out never-before-seen rally photos, buy merchandise and get the real, unfiltered scoop on what your president is up to.

Sounds pretty handy. One problem: The website revamp also appears to have vanished every single news release and public statement issued during President Trump's first campaign.

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