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  1. Did she ask him to marry her? No. Like you even pointed out, she replied that there were other women more suitable for him which shows to me that she had never marriage in her mind. And if you look at the proposal, I see no romantic gesture or words from his part. First, he doesn't ask her if she wants to marry him like any man would do. He just put the rings on the table without saying anything. Her reaction: She is surprised which KIW doesn't understand. He only asks her why. He wonders why she is surprised. He is quite direct: "What's so surprising? The ring? or the marriage?" She explains that they don't know each other so well (less than a month since their first meeting). Then she wonders why he is proposing with a ring, and not saying anything else. Notice that he never says that he wants to marry her because he loves her. Does he confess his love for her? No. She is definitely resisting him hence he is not pleased at all. Look at his facial expression. He looks quite annoyed. He doesn't even look into her eyes, when she explains her surprise and hesitation. That's why he stands up and declares in front of her that this will be the first and last time that he will go on his knee. He is forced to lower himself in front of her. His words illustrate his huge ego and pride. He considers himself superior to her. Her reluctance bothers him as he expected, she would agree very quickly. Why? His reason is simple: all this time, many women wanted to marry him hence he thought, she would act like the others but she is not. After getting on his knees, she actually moves away from him. He ignores her discomfort. He just takes her hand and tells her that they are getting married in a month at this hotel. Notice that he still doesn't ask her if she wants to marry him. He already gives her an order. She explains that she has an exhibition in a month and here we have the reason why KIW wanted to rush the marriage. He knew that she would become famous and he couldn't keep her by his side if she showed her new paintings. Out of selfishness, he rushed for a marriage. And even his words: "From the moment I first saw you, I wanted to marry you." Even here, his selfishness is palpable with the repetition of the pronoun "I" as subjects! YMR is here the object ("you") Notice that she is not allowed to say anything. He uses his mother in order to blackmail her emotionally as he knows what her mother means to her... "Please take it" = here we have another order since he uses the imperative form. He still gives order in the hand. That's why I said that he forced her to marry him. Sure, he doesn't beat her here... but his rudeness and lack of consideration are already visible. He doesn't accept a no for answer. She always tries to find a point to refuse. She never agreed immediately... She even said that she couldn't marry him yet due to her mother. I never saw anything romantic the way he proposed, even with the reply you quoted. She showed surprise, reluctance, her work as painter to reject his proposal. Time was used twice as an excuse (they barely know each other, she has an exhibition) which KIW refused. So he totally overlooked her objection and her interest. He didn't confess his love for her, he didn't ask her to marry him... he didn't say that he wanted to marry her for love. From the start, he just ignored YMR's words and he never asked her if she loved him. Love was never a topic during the proposal that's why I think that the reasons she gave to SJW why she married KIW were reasons she thought afterwards... in order to convince herself that she made the right decision. Yes, we will never agree with each other. With all your points (like f. ex. YMR is easily swept away, she never loved her husband etc.) you give me the impression that in your eyes, YMR is the culprit for his violence. She never loved him, she ran away from him, she never really tried to change him. KIW is like that because the poor man had a rough childhood and became like that because of his father... if YMR had loved him very much, then he would have been a normal husband. You turn the perpetrator into a victim... And what would you say if YMR had died after getting beaten by him?
  2. But don't forget that she didn't want to marry him in the first place and he put her under pressure... hence she kind of accepted his proposal. In order to persuade herself that she made the right decision, she convinced herself with these points. Fact is that she didn't want to marry him, so that's true that her feelings were not so deep for him. She barely knew him (3 weeks/one month) and after his proposal, they got married one month later. So he was after her and not the other way around. She never seduced him or even faked any feeling towards him. She was quite genuine, when she refused first his proposal. And his proposal looked like a business deal: nothing romantic at all.
  3. That's exactly the scene I was referring to. I interpret it differently. For me, he was definitely talking about suspect and not evidence, especially because he used the metaphor of crocodiles. He compared the behavior of a crocodile chasing a prey, that's why in my opinion the captain was talking about suspects as crocodiles feed on living beings. "Once they bite down, they never let go". So in his eyes, once there is a suspect, they have to ensure that the suspect is convicted. Concerning the unsolved cases, the captain disliked the idea of unsolved cases because it meant that no culprit had been found. And in my opinion, this reveals why the captain is so determined to have a suspect. Once they have someone, they make sure that he ends up convicted. Don't forget that one of the detectives was praising that 95 % of the cases were solved... implying that they had always found the culprit. A solved case doesn't necessarly mean that the real culprit has been caught. It only means that someone was convicted for that crime. Their investigation was really sloppy because they never tried to find a motive for that murder. They only had circumstantial evidence. And CDH is right: they were incompetent. I can relate to CDH's action because he knows what it means, when the police arrest an innocent. His own father ended up as convicted murderer and the police could proudly announce that the case had been solved. The number (95%) doesn't reflect the reality, doesn't really reveal if justice has prevailed or not. I am even thinking that this captain would even kill someone in order to frame the man so that he ends up in jail. Don't you find it weird that he popped up at the police station right after the discovery of the murder. That's how much I actually dislike the former captain. But I guess, we will have to disagree on this.
  4. @ktcjdrama I agree with you. I'm not bothered by SJW's action at all because in the end, it is the best protection for YMR. KIW is getting confused, he is still looking for YMR, although she is right in front of him. @zenya22 I see it a little differently, when it comes to HR. In my eyes, she is the main reason why the marriage between WHK and SJW didn't work out. I don't buy anything what HR says because she is always lying. And the thing is that SJW has not realized yet what HR did behind his back: HR said that SJW would never do the surgery which wasn't right. Besides, I have the feeling that doctor Ha and HR will use the affair and the face as a point in order to destroy the relationship between YMR and SJW.
  5. Great first episode! That's a pity that we have to wait so long for the subtitles. Honestly, the attitude of the police bothers me just like the prosecution. The comment from the former captain annoyed me a lot: "you have to bite like a dog and never let the suspect go". So in the end, the moment he considers someone is guilty, then he will do anything to turn him into a culprit. He claims that he is working for the victims and their family, yet in reality this is not true.
  6. So far, I had more the impression that the 12 items not only belonged to people who died during the fire but they had a special meaning to the deceased. The "detective" wanted to propose to his girlfriend (HJ), the couple wanted to put their memories in it, the student had bought it for his deceased father, the painter had bought the bracelet for his daughter aso. No one claimed for these items as no one knew about the existence of these items. The daughter had no idea that her father had bought a bracelet for her, the girlfriend had no idea about the ring, etc. So all the items had a special meaning... it was as if they had made a promise, had expressed a wish. This is the reason why there is this room of wishes. However, the purpose of this special room is to fulfill their wish. Maybe their wishes have changed, they don't want another tragedy to happen. Because if my theory is true, then JSH needs to create another disaster so that new items would be created... that's why he plans a train crash.
  7. Sorry, I can not root for KIW at all, although the actor is doing a terrific job. You wonder why a woman after 5 years of marriage can fall in love with another man? After reading your comment, I have the impression that you are describing the woman as unfaithful and as easily swept away. I can understand why YMR falls for the surgeon because during these 5 years, she had been abused by her husband. SJW acts the exact opposite of her own husband. SJW will do anything to protect her, the husband will do anything to imprison her while claiming to protect her. From whom did she need protection in the past? Who was threatening her? No one, except the husband. YMR doesn't love him any more, I wouldn't either in her place and it is her right to do so. How can you overlook the domestic violence? The marriage lasted 5 years because YMR couldn't divorce him... if she had had the means, she would have left him a long time ago. It is a common knowledge that an abused spouse should leave the husband, the opposite often happens because the victims believe that if they keep loving the violent spouse, he might change due to their love which NEVER happens!! (the savior syndrome that @zenya22 mentioned) Don't forget that each painting with flowers represent her body full of bruises... So have you seen how many paintings that were in her studio? She must have been hurt very often. My major problem is not the face... I really dislike KIW for many reasons: his violence, his selfishness, his ruthlessness, his possessiveness and his delusion. This is not love at all.
  8. I really enjoyed reading your long analysis. I agree with you that WHK and dr. Ha seem to be similar which explains why WHK fell for him at some point. However, I would like to add that in my opinion, HR played a bigger role in creating a riff in the couple SJW-WHK than it meets the eye. First, we shouldn't take as face value what HR said about WHK, she was not a talented artist and HR was the one who ran the gallery. Notice that for 5 years, the gallery has not been working very well and during this time, HR was the one running it and not WHK. Secondly, in her argument with SJW, one sentence from her caught my attention. Notice that HR didn't say that SJW was always by her side, but ON her side. With these words, she implies that SJW would always choose to follow HR's advice or even to believe HR over someone else and in this case, I sense that SJW might have more listened to HR than his wife. And this would explain why WHK resented her husband and decided to cheat on him. To me, SJW is not aware of the negative influence HR had on his marriage. First, he will question WHK's decision, once he discovers the identity of the lover... Actually, SJW needs to realize HR's true nature. Don't forget that I compared her to a preying mantis. As such, a mantis can not share her flower to anyone else. In my opinion, HR is delusional herself, when she considers herself as a flower: unchanging love and big ambition. In reality, she is a preying mantis which can be cruel and ruthless. Notice that she has no problem to throw YMR under the bus for her own interest.
  9. I am expecting this week Shinim literati purges to happen and that the riff between YN and the King will be even bigger. His brother perceives more and more YN as a thread. Based on wikipedia, YN leaves the palace saying that he will live as a commoner. I do think that this is about to happen.
  10. 1. If he got caught by the police, this would have created a scandal. KIW did trespass a property, threatened a woman and assaulted a man. If the media had noticed it, then there is no way that he could have covered it up. 2. Furthermore, these two episodes revealed that KIW was not attracted by YMR's face in reality which made me realize afterwards that KIW didn't fall for YMR the woman at all. Remember that he started crying, when he saw this painting... We all thought that it was because of the woman in the painting but she didn't look exactly like YMR. To me, KIW was moved by the painting itself because it represented happiness and freedom. The woman there was holding a gladiolus indicating she was mentally strong and sincere. She embodied all the qualities his mother had not had since she had killed herself. When he saw YMR, he noticed the resemblance. So from my point of view, he fell for the painter YMR and not the person herself. Notice that he wanted to keep all her paintings to himself which shows that he had a deep connection with her paintings. He even knew how to interpret the painting with the cistus. He was the one who named it: a self-portray by telling her that the flowers resembled her. Secondly he recognized the presence of YMR due to the paintings and got very emotional, when he saw the new pictures. That's why he treats YMR like a possession because in the end, he is more after the painter than the woman herself. This also explains why he refused YMR to become famous. With her paintings, he could feel what freedom and happiness was... however, the moment he "destroyed" her career, he actually hurt YMR so much which could no longer love him. The argument about her career must have been the reason why the abuse started. But since she kept painting, he could still beat her, as despite everything KIW had the opportunity to see new paintings. She started focusing more and more on the flowers due to the bruises which KIW liked. So the circle vicious was created... the violence was the reason for her new paintings and KIW was somehow aware of that but since he liked her pictures, he had no reason to stop hurting her, if she wasn't obedient. @avondale16 So far, I like the story... my only complain is the acting of the female lead. The first YMR was definitely much better.
  11. I bet, HR will reveal the existence of YMR, the face of WHK... I am quite sure that she knows Dr. Ha was WHK's lover. From my point of view, she set a trap for WHK... Dr. Ha knew about her love for SJW, just like he was attracted by WHK. Striking that SJW has definitely rejected HR. When she confessed her love for him, he told her that he only considered her as a friend and part of her family (if I understood it correctly) and he wished no change at all. If she kept pursuing him, then at some point this would affect their relationship forever. Yet, I am expecting that at some point Dr. Ha will side with SJW and help him to protect YMR. I have a more negative opinion about HR.
  12. To me, he was already attracted before the plastic surgery. So he fell for YMR and not her face. He only gave her WHK's face in the last minute. Then he realized his mistake, when he called her WHK. He apologized later. I mean, she has dressed herself like WHK hence he made a mistake. But he is falling for her because of her heart. He was moved, when she cried in his arms, although he couldn't see her face. Sure, he was a little confused and wondered about his heart. The most important is that he feels the most comfortable, when she is dressed simply. His desire to protect her goes beyond his love for WHK... he keeps comforting her, encouraging her... she is definitely moved by his gentleness. So next week, it looks like the identity of the secret lover will be revealed... the meeting of Ha and SJW near the bridge is the scene where Ha reveals that he was her lover. SJW will be really hurt and YMR will comfort him. Dr. Ha meets YMR/WHK.
  13. It has already aired. The RAW version has already been released. I have just finished watching the episode 9... and so far I understood, SJW wants to cancel with contract signed with KIW. HR told him that the gallery meant a lot to her. Furthermore meeting WHK/YMR affected KIW a lot. He wondered who WHK was as he felt attracted to her neck and throat. He thought, he was going crazy... and this proves to me that her face wasn't the real reason for his obsession. SJW's mother knows now what SJW did and she was upset. I have to say that HR'sbehavior was really disgusting. After KIW's departure, HR's first thought was to know if the contract had been signed. She didn't even look at YMR which was shaking and short of breath. HR even wondered why YMR was acting like that. This shows to me that HR has no heart at all. She can't even put herself in YMR's shoes, what the wife has been put through... She thought, she wouldn't get caught but SJW discovered her trick and got upset. For the first time, SJW and HR had a real argument and HR revealed a lot about herself. Dr Ha met KIW... so he is now wondering if the surgery with the VVIP is linked to KIW.
  14. I can definitely return the compliment. Yes, this is a very naive belief to think that if YMR remained by KIW's side loving him more, he would change hence she needs to return to him. Moreover, it implies that the spouse didn't love her husband enough before, her love was not strong enough to affect him. Thinking like this, people are overlooking that YMR did love him in the beginning but the abuse destroyed her love for him. 2. I really like your idea that someone else might have targeted YMR but KIW got in the way hence he got shot. This could be YR. Or let us imagine that YR was the one who wanted to deliver YMR to KIW hence there were bodyguards around YMR. However, the moment YMR realized the betrayal, she fought with YR and could get a gun so that when her husband appeared, at some point she shot him. As for the story of Hyacinth, I think that both women WHK and YMR can represent Hyacinth. Zephyrus as Dr. Ha killed his lover HK with the accident, he was indeed jealous of SJW. As for YMR, KIW is indeed Zephyrus because he was jealous of the world. He wanted YMR for himself, he didn't want anyone to see her at all. Notice that the fake death of YMR corresponds to the death of Hyacinth which became a flower. Death = Rebirth... YMR was reborn as she changed her face and identity. She is no longer the YMR who was scared and mute, she has transformed into a determined woman who fights against her inner demons and fears.
  15. Actually, I am expecting the opposite direction. We are about to witness WIK's downfall and not redemption. To me, he is on his way where there is no return, especially, after YMR had her plastic surgery. WIK has been able to abuse his wife for so long (her home was like a jail) because he was powerful. However, I sense that his obsession will make him lose focus on the company. Right now, he acts a lot like his father hence the father is okay. But notice that he spends more and more time outside his office, even postpones meetings that's why I am expecting him to neglect the business. Don't forget that his father remarried and he has a step-brother... the identity of the heir is not confirmed yet.
  16. But he was never in love with her. It was rather an obsession because he tried to change her. Having the face of her mother was not enough, he wanted to transform YMR into the image of his mother. That's why he chose for her the clothes and the jewels. Moreover, WIK forced her to become a housewife supporting her husband, just like his mother. Remember that no one knew the face of WIK's mother and it was the same for YMR. That's why he didn't let her become a famous painter. Sorry, WIK used to beat his wife hence I can not consider it as love.
  17. 1. First, the teacher has always judged people based on their social status hence losing his job because of someone whose father is convicted and who is poor and "weak" infuriated him so much. To me, his character was consistent. 2. Our protagonist let people believe that her father was into "politics" hence he had money and connection. The girls might have been rich but I doubt that they were that "powerful"/ had a lot of connection because if so, then they would have visited a different school. 5/6. The episode 4 revealed that KSM was held captive for a long time and he is taking some medicine due to his trauma. In my opinion, KSM used the fire incident from 13 years ago in order to escape from that man (person with a black cap). In my opinion, KSM is not related to the woman who was a victim (stabbed). Notice that when he jumped with Lee Ahn, he tried to protect him by risking his own life. I also sense that KSM feels guilty towards YJI because he didn't reveal everything he knew. He is involved... but in reality, he is a victim as well. So his goal is not to catch the culprit of the arson from 2005 but also to reveal the misdeed committed by someone among the police. Each time, they try to close a case very quickly. From my point of view, since LA's father was an officer, EJS's father might have used the death of LA's father to stop any investigation on him. Another theory is: KSM was held captive for a long time and the man responsible for this could be the victim of the last stabbing: the man played by the actor Choi Duk Moon. Notice that he moved a woman from that hospital... the woman with the ring is someone who is protected by this man. She is an important witness... and the person behind the arson could be someone who is after the character played by CDM. However, the man with the black cap is showing himself to KSM, it was as if he wanted to tell him that he was looking after him, asking him to unveil the whole mystery. Maybe there are two persons involved in the stabbing and arson... one stabs, while the other tries to cover up the tracks by creating a fire so that certain evidence would be erased... a person could go missing/ or a body could exchanged so that a death is faked. The chains were there as a reminder for KSM: the person was telling him that this man was linked to his terrible and painful past. So far, I like this drama. The mystery is quite intriguing.
  18. Based on the preview, it looks like a kiss might have happened because the court lady and friend noticed some changes. I guess, the kiss will be more a peck because PMS is about to appear. I was surprised how YT/MP's mistress got shocked, when she heard the name DM. So maybe she thought that DM had died due to her betrayal... and she just realized that DM was still alive and could be after her.
  19. The drama is supposed to have 48 episodes (30 minutes), in other words 24 (1 hour).
  20. In my opinion, the priest/cop will die this week after JSH meets him. The question is: will he be able to retrieve the items (whip and ring) before? I have the impression that the ex-prisoner owns himself an item: the cap... the question is if they can stop him from committing suicide before.
  21. I disagree with you. YMR expected her death at any time... that's why the painting with the cistus is called a self-portray. Moreover, she knew the meaning of that plant: tomorrow, I'll die. Secondly, the moment WIK told her that the flower reminded him of her: she would resemble the flower, he recognized clearly that YMR had changed. This is what WIK saw: Secondly, only after this conversation, YMR added the fire... so the burning flowers were announcing her imminent death. Besides, you are forgetting that he warned her that he would kill her. So he already showed murderous tendencies. While reading your comments, I have the impression that you think that YMR might not have been hurt, if she had followed WIK's wishes... And in my opinion, this is just an excuse for WIK's actions because the moment she disagrees with him, she is beaten. In other words, YMR is not treated like a wife but like a possession, a doll.
  22. Just because they are still married officially, he is not entitled to receive anything from her. First don't forget that she tried to get divorced. So marriage or not, she wanted to leave him therefore she was kept imprisoned. Why should she try to help him, when she has to rescue herself first? She could have died from the abuse.
  23. But don't forget that she wasn't supposed to get a plastic surgery after she had called HR. The latter had told her that SJW wanted to help her differently. So when she prepared her escape, she had planned to fake her death so that her husband would stop looking for her, then she would live with her friend's help. But her plan didn't work out because WIK didn't buy her death. Secondly, she met SJW by accident where SJW could reveal her that he would do the surgery. When she had moved her mother to the different institute, she never mentioned the existence of a second daughter: her new face... that's why when she visited her mother later, the staff couldn't recognize her as the daughter. Now, she can no longer claim her mother as the director has already seen the daughter's face. Back then, she could have mentioned the existence of a sister... so that she could have claimed to be the other daughter. Besides, the reason why YMR wanted to run away from her husband is not just the physical abuse, but also it was about the loss of her own identity. Don't forget that the main problem was YMR's identity. When she realized that she had the face of WIK's mother, she felt that her husband didn't love her. Then WIK also tried to change YMR, to have her turned into his mother's image... that's why he chose her clothes, her hair style, her jewels aso. The moment YMR disagreed with her husband and wanted to act differently, she was beaten therefore she never lived her life as YMR. Her identity was taken away from her, even her face as she had the impression that her face was the reason for her husband's obsession and violence. In fact, he wanted to transform her into a doll. And this explains why she was not allowed to show her paintings to the world... it was as if her voice had been even taken away from her. Finally, we shouldn't forget that HR was the one who asked her to live under her real name, since she asked her to cut ties from SJW and not to rely on him. The moment, she started living in that flat, she had to live as someone without an identity. Like I wrote above, asking help from her friend looked like a stupid move... but she needed a name and number in order to sell her painting. Since she didn't want to rely on SJW more than necessary, she called her friend. JHR had been cleared about that. YMR did respect her wish.
  24. Like I said, it is easier for outsiders to say that but for someone who was never able to live as YMR for so long, giving up her name and everything... is a heavy burden, especially due to her new face. No, she is not the woman she used to be due to the abuse ... she has never been able to live with her own name for so long: she was just WIK's wife. Well, for the husband it won't be that easy to claim his wife because she has a new face and the moment she starts living as WHK, it will be difficult to prove that YMR was his wife. Moreover, the moment YMR sells her paintings through the gallery, she can get what she wants.
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