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  1. My take on the titles. I’m posting excerpts as I’ve put in more than a dozen pics on my blog. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/19/a-poem-a-day-you-who-forgot-poetry/ 1. To FORGET implies that MEMORIES of a person, place, experience, or emotion originally EXISTED but were lost in TIME. You can’t forget what wasn’t there to begin with. If we replace the word “poetry” with BoYoung, who after all is the very personification of poetry in this kdrama, it’s easy to see that “YOU” who forgot BoYoung can only refer to one person, MinHo. He’s the one who’s forgotten his memories of BoYoung and he’s the one now remembering her all over again. 2. To BoYoung, those college days with MinHo were POETIC DAYS. Poetic in the sense that they were beautiful, idyllic, and romantic days for her. Those days had been forgotten, but her love for poetry continued on. To MinHo however, those college days were poetic because – lol – they were literally filled with poems. He was getting “A POEM A DAY” from BoYoung…to his horror. Mushy poetry that gave him goosebumps. But those days had been forgotten, and those awkward love poems banished from his memory. Hence, You Who Forgot Poetry. Not even Dr. Ye was getting a poem a day. lol. 3. To me, Minho had forgotten about those poems – just like the title of the kdrama. He’d been successful in forgetting about those poems and – along with those poems – his memories of time spent with BoYoung. He had let go of those memories until they met again. Now, he certainly remembered those poems. That’s why he called BoYoung “repeat offender” and “ex-convict of love,” and he said that he hated her. He hated her now because SHE was trying to forget about those poems she wrote to him when HIS memories of their time together had already come back. He was accusing HER of forgetting “their” poetry, and their poetic times. One can imagine him whining in a fit of jealousy, "Heyy! You Repeat Offender! You Ex-Convict of Love! You CryBaby WooYoung! You, who've forgotten your poems! I really hate you." source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/19/a-poem-a-day-you-who-forgot-poetry/ @Nodame This isn't a pick-up line but... Have we met before? Did we watch Warm and Cozy together? You sound familiar. Thanks again for your translation.
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    406 What happened to your leg? I broke my wrist but I'm having the cast removed soon. Just when I'm getting the hang of typing with one finger - the middle finger. hahaha. Belated happy birthday, @angelangie. I always thought that the simplest words are the best, so here goes: Thanks for being you!
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    404 404 Error code: person not found. lol Happy 3000th page!!!!!
  5. hahaha. To be fair, I too wished it was Dr. Ye but... (oh well). Here's my write-up on Episode 6 and my explanation of the poem "Morning" and it's connection to Snail Brides. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/15/poem-a-day-episode-6-and-snail-brides/ Here's an excerpt. I'll stop when I reach three pictures so I don't overload the system or whatever that thingamajiggy excuse we have for uploading only three pics. ******************* Do you still remember when I wrote that Boyoung’s poems give CONTEXT to the episodes? Well, to me, this episode is a solid example of superb and subtle writing. The poem “Morning” frames this Episode 6 like a pair of bookends. It props up the story from the start and at the end. Here’s the poem. Morning by Chun Sang Byung Morning always feel so happy The day begins And the starting point is right now. After I wash my face, I start my chores And open a book Today might be my lucky day. I hope I hear some good news… Under the beautiful sky. From the start of the episode, the poem sets the stage beautifully. We see BoYoung cleaning Dr. Ye's room first thing in the morning. To onlookers, MinHo and Namwon, she reminded them of a busy and happy snail bride doing its wifely "chores" of cleaning house – or room – for Dr. Ye. Then, like bookends, the poem gives us, at the closing of the episode, the CONTEXT in which to understand the whole story movement. You see, at midnight, BoYoung still remained the busy and happy snail bride. She was delivering the "good news" and creating a "lucky day" for MinHo. Do you see the connection? The poem was actually intended NOT FOR DOCTOR YE, but for Minho. I’ve said this before: Doctor Ye is a red herring here. :) Let me explain. From the moment MinHo saw BoYoung that morning, he declared himself LUCKY that he was freed from her. He was fulfilling the words of the poem, "The day begins and the starting point is right now...Today might be my lucky day. I hope I hear some good news…." Also when they chanced upon her dusting, Namwon called her a snail bride. MinHo pointed out that she had also once done that for him: she cleaned his car in secret. They both realized that she transformed into Dr. Ye’s snail bride, implying that she had become Dr. Ye’s problem to deal with. No longer MinHo’s. He's llluuuuuuccccckkkky! NW: I guess she still acts like a snail bride when she likes someone. MH: Do you know how burdensome it is when she does things like that? Thank god she doesn’t like me. I’m so relieved that she’s not acting like my snail bride. While Minho's eyes showed that he was bothered, his lips claimed that he had a lucky escape. Then, during lunchtime, he and Namwon noticed that Boyoung only gave the biggest and best portion of the communal food to Dr. Ye. Again, Minho pointed out that he too had been on the receiving end of her kind of favoritism before. Once, she gave him kimbab the size of his arm. Or the size of his face. lol. NW teased him. NW: But you seem to remember all the nice things BY did for you. Be honest. Were you interested in her, too? MH: Hey. Fine. I’ll finally tell the truth. I was actually interested in her. NW: “I’m kidding!” MH: Why did you even ask? I only remember it because it gave me the chills. She sent me poetry and cleaned my car. On top of that, she made me kimbap as big as my arm. Is that normal? I’m so relieved that I don’t have to be subjected to that again. Yup. See that? Again, his lips claimed that he had a lucky escape. He was relieved that BoYoung had stopped fawning over him and making him the center of HER attention. Shortly afterwards, his mom called. He was invited to a dinner buffet with the family. His mom didn’t tell him the occasion for the celebration, but he realized belatedly that it was his birthday. Right now, it would seem as if his life mirrored that of the poem “Morning.” His day was shaping up to be a lucky one alright. For one, he escaped the clutches of a looney-bird like BoYoung. For another, his family was giving him a buffet dinner for his birthday. He was seeing all good news so far. "Today might be my lucky day. I hope I hear some good news…" See the irony? See the plot twist? See how the poem was setting up Minho? Later that afternoon, he and Namwon spotted her gazing at Dr. Ye. When she turned to join them, she tripped over a hospital chair like in a bad slapstick. Minho caustically said that it served her right to be humiliated after gazing at her crush. But in the same breath, he reminded NamWon of a similar incident in college. The two guys remembered the hilarious incident of the BoYoung in a runaway cart. MH: Do you know how speechless you become in that situation. I’m glad that she’s not acting like that because of me. I’m so relieved that she doesn’t like me anymore. lol. That was the third time he declared himself lucky because he avoided his ill-fate with BoYoung. He was glad that he didn't have to be again subjected to Boyoung's crazy and embarrassing moments. But Minho’s greatest problem was that every time his lips moved to express relief at the end of his torture, he lied. Or he was joking... He was in fact annoyed and jealous. He saw the connection between the past and the present, and he knew his position in BoYoung's life was being usurped by Doctor Ye. He thought he was being dethroned as the groom of the busy and happy snail bride. But what he didn’t understand and what most of the audience (especially foreigners like me) didn’t get is the relevance of story of the Snail Bride. (lol. This is similar to the Apple Story I told you all in Episode 2.) In the Korean folklore, the Snail Bride was the one who provided the food. That was her role in the story. The story wasn’t about her cleaning up the house but her providing the food.... source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/15/poem-a-day-episode-6-and-snail-brides/
  6. I agree. MinHo is a clown. But don't knock him out of the contest. He's the one BoYoung likes. People say that Dr. Ye scored big when BoYoung gave him the book. It was her love declaration. But I say, yes and no. To me, there are (at least) two ways to interpret this poem. One: That she's admitting to having an unrequited love for him. For sure, the book can be taken to mean she's confessing HER feelings for Dr. Ye and that she has decided to love him despite his declaration that he isn't interested in dating a coworker. The book's title is her HER MESSAGE of love for him. Here's their dialogue: Ye: What's the matter? BY: Doctor, this is a book of poetry. Ye: Why are you giving this to me? BY: I thought you'd enjoy it too. Why? Do you find it burdensome? Ye: No, I just didn't expect this. I thought you were disappointed in me for some reason. It seemed like you were avoiding eye contact with me so I was worried. ** To me, "disappointed" is a weird feeling to express. I believe it's because he sensed that what he had said at the Dr. Park's party might have dashed her hopes and disappointed her. He said, "I have no interested in dating anyone in the medical field. And if they work at the same hospital, I'm really not interested." BY: Pardon? **Notice too that she often says, "Pardon?" when she's with him. This indicates that she doesn't grasp what he's trying to say, or is often surprised by what he says. She can't read his mind. Ye: I'm not the type to worry about others but I was worried about you. It seems like I trust and rely on you quite a lot. BY: I see. I wasn't disappointed in you. I just didn't have the confidence to face you. But I won't act like that anymore. I'll get going then. Ye: (smiles at he reads the title, "It's Okay If You Don't Love Me.") But there's another way to interpret this poetry. Two: That she meant the poem as a friendly encouragement that HE too can survive his hardship and endure the heartbreak. In this sense, the poetry isn't a confession of unrequited love, but a message of healing and inspiration. It's Okay If You Don't Love Me by Lee Jung Ha It's okay if you don't acknowledge me. A new leaf will sprout, even under the cold rain. And the stars will come out, even if clouds cover it. It's okay if you don't offer me a hand. I blazed up like a dry leaf As someone who couldn't say a word I'm okay with being in one-sided love. And then becoming love myself. My love, It's okay if you don't love me. To me, the literal understanding of the poem is the acceptance of a one-sided love. But the DEEPER MEANING here is the choice to love for love's sake. The poem is telling us to stop asking for love or looking for love in return. What's essential is to continue to love and be a loving person. Just like a plant still grows despite the rain and a star still shines despite the clouds, we must still love despite the rejection. In fact, in continuing to love, even when it seems hopeless, we're transformed into WHO we are meant to be: truly human. Like the guy in the hospital. It was okay if his girlfriend rejected him because he'd continue loving her. It was his steadfast love that finally made her realize that "in sickness and in health" are part of the human condition. Similarly, BoYoung's words, "That's right. I should be happy that he trusts and relies on me," can be understood in two ways. a. she's consoling herself that, although she's in a one-sided love, he trusts and relies on her. This is the common understanding. OR b. she's grateful to be THERE FOR HIM, serving as a trustworthy and reliable person in his time of need. He may be enduring ostracism from his colleagues and heartache from his former flame, but she's there to encourage him. This, to me, is the deeper context and it ties in beautifully with his praise for her innate goodness in the previous episode. He had said, "I already saw a lot of your good side. As I already said, there's no Ye Line, but if really looked after you like everyone said I did, then this is probably why (because he's seen her in action, doing good for others.)" To me, that whole scene - beginning with the paraplegic's fiance's gratitude and ending with gift to Dr. Ye - can be seen as one story arc showcasing BoYoung's caring instincts, rather than her romantic side. She feels pity for Dr. Ye after she's learned from the two interns that he had a PAINFUL incident in his last hospital involving both his colleagues and his girlfriend. As a matter of fact that is WHAT she was talking about in the elevator. Feeling sorry. But WHO you think she was talking about when she made that comment? Who was she referring to when she said "Wait, who am I feeling sorry for right now?" That was out-of-the-blue. Hint: It's not Dr. Ye. source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/10/poem-a-day-the-minho-clown-car/ @Nodame Thank you so much for the translation!!! You're simply awesome. Tagging @nearsea, @lavender2love (are you okay?) @USAFarmgirl (are you still watching this), @triplem
  7. May I borrow this gif? Thanks. That’s the moment when I gave him a thumbs-down as future boyfriend of BoYoung. I had post-traumatic stress syndrome just watching him mopping the floors like a rolling pin and air-kicking invisible ninjas. I remembered with horror going through the same ordeal with my sons’ terrible twos. However, if I were a young girl and he were to break down and have that temper tantrum because I rejected him, I would crack a smile and end up changing my mind. There’s something about awkward man-child antics that women find cute and irresistible. I personally don't like noona-donsaeng or cougar romances and I avoid those k-romcoms but I understand what the appeal is for older women. To stay on topic, @nearsea, my full response for you is posted on my blog. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/09/poem-a-day-stop-shipping-nearsea/ I understand where you're coming from so I'll post my comparison between A Poem a Day and Reply 1988 later. Also, here's the link to my analysis of the characters of A Poem a Day with their associated catchphrase. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/08/poem-a-day-episode-3/ For now, I'm filing this catchphrase under Dr. Kim, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this double standard applies to everybody in the story. There's a different standard for one who's admired, and one who's not; one standard for you, and one standard for me. Take for instance, Minho and Dr. Ye. As I've written there, both of them behaved like jerks. (Not all the time, of course, but on occasions.) For instance, Minho: when he rejected BoYoung's unwanted attention and one-sided love, and Dr. Ye: when he rejected Dr. Park's and Dr Kim's unwanted attention and one-sided admiration. It would be unfair to criticize one character's misbehavior while ignoring the other's similar misbehavior. You have to call out both. But as Dr. Park wisely said, "When I do it, it's romance. When you do it, it's adultery." Pretty clever, eh? Don't miss out on these little "twists" by the scriptwriter. If you're not paying attention, you'll overlook the connection.
  8. I'll write more about the other characters for my review of Episode 3. I found it interesting that each one of them had his/her catchphrase, lol, so I'll analyze that. In the meantime, here's my review of Episode 4, and the poem featured in it. *I'm only posting an excerpt because I'm not quite finished editing the last paragraph. Just read it over there. link: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/06/poem-a-day-episode-4/ My only claim to college literature is that I kept company with the “hip” crowd discussing Sartre, Rimbaud and Tagore. I merely sponged off other people’s brains and soaked in their ideas. Nowadays, we say, “Pass me the popcorn” when we’re about to witness fireworks during a debate. But back in those days, we said, “Un café, s’il vous plait,” as we watched fellow students argue the meaning of life till early morning. Fortunately for non-literary people like me, the poems used here in this kdrama aren’t meant just for deep-thinking students of literature. The verses in A Poem a Day are accessible. They aren’t the intimidating, high form of poetry; they’re written for common folks, like you and me. Their meaning doesn’t get lost in the translation … or in the drama. Take for instance the poem in Episode 4 “Standing Close” by Ki Sa In. Standing Close by Ki Sa In Her bent back collects newspapers and cardboard boxes Her work pants are loose on her shrunken body When a car enters the alley, she stands close to the side. With her small cart which is her only flesh and blood Standing close in solitude Like a spider on a dirty cement wall Like an old sting ray at the bottom of a water tank. Standing low and close to a gray wall. Once the car passes, the grandmother who was like crinkled paper Slowly straightens out again. The cart’s wheels follow her at her heels like young goats. If I think about the worn out television that will turn on in that room If I think about the tilted sink, pots, and pans And the bent back that will stand in front of it. I choke up. If I think about the rag in the corner which she has probably wrung out ******************* Of course, you can choose any which way you want to interpret this poem. But for me, it’s this way: The poem describes a bystander’s reaction to a grim scene he’s witnessing up close. He’s struck by the hard struggles of living. When he imagines the empty and dreary scene that awaits this lonely grandmother when she gets home, he’s choked up with sadness. As JooYong JooYong would say as he watched DefCon pretend to have friends, “It’s heartbreaking.” To me, the poem signals the message of the episode, that life is heartbreaking… until you're standing close… and realize that no! life is, in fact, heartwarming. Even in the most heartbreaking of moments, there exists in people, a sense of goodness and kindness that’s heartwarming. And uplifting. In this episode, JooYong JooYong was the first to discover this truth after spending a day with Defcon in the rural area. From the start of this episode, he pitied Defcon because of his friendless state. He thought Defcon was pathetic. “Like a spider on a dirty cement wall, like an old sting ray at the bottom of a water tank,” Defcon hung around his colleagues but remained solitary. He was obviously an outsider. But then slowly JYJY’s perspective changed as he observed Defcon’s interaction with the community’s crazy grandfather. Defcon humored that old man, first pretending to be the long-lost brother then the dead father. At the end of the day, he gave the old man a piggy ride back to his home, cleaned the floor, made dinner and fixed the lights. Defcon recognized himself in that old man. He saw in that the old man’s solitude a preview of his future lonesome world and his heart became heavy. The grandfather was a kindred soul. However, standing close to Defcon, JYJY was seeing another thing. He realized that Defcon wasn’t someone to be pitied but to be admired. Defcon wasn’t heartbreaking but heartwarming. JYJY’s newfound insight was repeated by three other characters in the story, namely BoYoung, Doctor Ye, and, curiously enough, MinHo. The discovery was most obvious in BoYoung’s case. BoYoung helped out the grandmother because she felt sorry for her. The grandmother was the living representation of the grandmother in the poem: Her hunched back. Her shrunken body. Collecting recyclable cardboard. Standing against the wall as a car passed her by. Wheeling her heavy cart behind her. Just like JooYong JooYong stood near Defcon, BoYoung followed closely behind the grandmother to help push the loaded cart. Likewise, she discovered that the grandmother wasn’t one to be pitied. The grandma’s hard life wasn’t heartbreaking but upliftign. Why? Because when the old lady arrived home, there was somebody eagerly waiting to greet and hug her: her granddaughter. Suddenly, the sad image of a lonely figure trudging up the hill with the cart of cardboard was upended. It wasn’t so sad at all. The grandma had someone at the end of her journey. She was enduring and sacrificing for someone she loved very much but THAT person loved her back wholeheartedly. Thus, the scene BoYoung witnessed was a heartwarming moment. Little did she know that her time with the grandma was being observed. After she turned to leave the grandmother, she saw Dr. Ye emerging from the shadows. He too was standing close – just like the bystander in the poem. BY: I said I’d only show you my good side but all I did was show you my ridiculousness. Dr: I already saw a lot of your good side. BY: Pardon? Dr: AS I already said, there’s no Ye Line. But if ever I did look after you, just as the others have said, this is why: Because I know you always treat your patients with kindness and sincerity. You even helped that grandmother just now. BTW, I enjoyed the poetry you sent me. I felt cheered up after reading such good poetry. BY: Pardon? Really? I thought you were angry because you didn’t respond. Dr: Oh. I just forgot to respond. BY: Oh! You didn’t ignore my text on purpose? You felt happy after reading my poetry?? He saw her struggling with her job, in the same way the grandmother struggled with her cart. All day long BoYoung looked inept and clumsy. First, bringing the bread crust instead of the sandwiches, then falling on his lap, then looking like she went through hell after chasing the chickens, and finally getting berated by a doctor. Like the grandmother in the poem, she worked so hard with little success to show for her efforts. But instead of seeing her as a loser, Doctor Ye noted her kindness and sincerity. He knew she wasn’t someone to be pitied but someone to be praised and commended. That was why a “Ye Line” was unnecessary. A Ye Line is only solicited by those who needed to curry favors. She didn’t need to stand in line for any favors because she could STAND on her own MERITS. Now, do you see the parallelism between BoYoung and Defcon? BoYoung was to Doctor Ye what Defcon was to JYJY. Both their goodness was heartwarming and inspiring. And just like JYJY’s approval and offer of friendship made Defcon ecstatic with joy, so did Doctor Ye’s words – AND positive response to her poems – give her unbounded happiness. She was skipping right behind Doctor Ye like Defcon was running to hug JYJY. And when Doctor Ye saw her shadow skipping right beside him, he smiled. It was just so like BoYoung to show her happiness with much exuberance, and little restraint. Whether drunk or sober, she showed her real joyful self. Which brings me finally to MinHo. He hates poetry. — Or perhaps (you know how kdrama works by now…) he liked it when he was little but he had a traumatic experience with it (i.e., gotten bullied at school or scolded by parent). Unlike Doctor Ye, who is outwardly aloof but secretly sensitive (and you know how kdrama works by now…), MinHo makes it clear that he considers poetry trashy. He belittles BoYoung’s love for poetry. And he considers her 1. sentimentality, 2. her tears, 3. efforts to please Doctor Ye, and 4. generally everything about her, over-the-top and unnecessary. To me then, it’s fascinating to watch him STANDING CLOSE to BoYoung because he begins to understand her. If you watch that scene again at the dining table when the therapists all are gathered to talk about the doctor who shouted at BoYoung, you’ll notice that MinHo’s observing her reactions. Every time the others say something hurtful, he glances at BoYoung. He knows that she’s feeling sad. Actually, more than sad. She looks weary and downtrodden. Like the old grandmother in the poem. For BoYoung, everything is an uphill climb and hard work without encouragement, appreciation or companion. I think that for an insensitive guy, Minho’s actions are very considerate. He searches for her, offers his jacket, zips her up, and surprises with her a can of beer and a snack of (I’m guessing what that atrocious thing was) dried squid. Metaphorically, Minho offers to “carry the cart” for her to lighten her load. Did she want him to want him to talk with the grandma or talk with the doctor? he asks her. That’s sweet gesture, given that he’s only an intern and that he has no real authority. Then, as he watches her run off to help the grandmother, it dawns on him that she has no problems looking good in front of her. See that? Despite his annoyance ... source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/06/poem-a-day-episode-4/
  9. Hi @triplem Sorry for the late response. Work suddenly came in truckloads and I was a roadkill. You got me thinking about that “apple doesn’t fall far from the tree,” and I would have to say yes and no. Yes, the kids are as screwed up as the parents, but no, they are screwed up in their OWN distinct way. As a matter of fact, the kids are ALL trying so hard not to become THAT apple. They want to fall far, verrrry far, like acres away, from that tree they find so contemptible. For instance, SeJoo takes on his father’s beatings rather than become like his father. He said so in the hospital room with his mom. He was bothered that he had knocked down a guy who was pestering SooJi. He asked his comatose mom if he was violent as his father. TaeHee is like this, too. She detests how her father’s a fool in love, suffering needlessly for an unrequited love. Just now in this episode 14, she expressed her contempt for her mother’s libertine lifestyle. She’s determined not to follow her parents’ footsteps. That’s why even when she returned to SH’s side, she did so on her own terms. She told him at the hospital to inform her directly, without guilt or trouble, if and when he found her uncomfortable. She would walk away then. She said in her voice-over. “I won’t be weak. I won’t feel lonely. I don’t want you to chase after me. I don’t want you to stop me either (as in tell her “Hajimaaaa!! Kajimaaaa!!” lol. My two favorite makjang words). Since I started this, I will end it too. Since I was in this relationship by myself, I will get over you by myself too.” She was drawing a line between a dignified and foolish/pathetic one-sided love. Same with SooJi. She’s embarrassed that her mother passively accepts the put-downs and the snobs by her social peers. Her mother is unfashionable; her hair style is unflatteringly utilitarian and she wears shapeless suits in wrong colors for her work. And now, her mother’s going to be taken advantage of by the unscrupulous father of SH. To me, her need to control or manipulate people is her way of compensating; she tries too hard not be like a push-over like her mother. Last, we have ShiHyun who deeply resents his father’s apathy for his suffering mother even on her birthdays. He seduces his father’s girlfriend/date to take revenge. And now, he’s in a rage when he finds out that his father is dating somebody. To me, that’s the reason ShiHyun picked out Kyung Joo’s mom, NaYoung in the nightclub. And that’s HOW he singled her out in a group of women. He was so used to seeing rejection and DEJECTION in his sickly mother, so he could have easily spotted and read the body language of an older woman who was also lonely and despondent. Remember, NaYoung at that time was down in the dumps because her daughter didn’t invite her to graduation and refused to answer her texts (because she was out eating with TH). He wasn’t trying to “seduce” NaYoung for fun or mischief, he was trying to give her a good time – and confidence - because she looked like she needed attention and a boost. So there you go. My brief take on dem apples falling from the tree. Thank you for pointing that out. It made me think. Tagging @nearsea. Nearsea, there's THE reason you’re looking for why this whole “seduction” scene in the nightclub was included. I remember you grousing about it... It’s to establish SH’s character. In this kdrama, SH isn’t THE bad guy - ala-Valmont in Les Liaisons Dangereuses. If you take a look at him again, without preconceived notions, he's actually the better guy. I also saw comments about SH leading on both TH and SJ. For instance, he was the one who wanted to get married and he forced Sooji while she repeatedly told him that she didn’t want a fake marriage but he insisted. He led her on. Therefore, accordingly, he couldn’t just decide that he was feeling marriage anymore simply because he fell in love with TH. He didn’t even bother tell SJ about it. In my opinion, there are some misunderstandings here. First, once SH discovered he had feelings for TH, it is the height of stupidity to continue any marriage plans with SJ. You do not correct a mistake (i.e., the original seduction plot/marriage plot) with ANOTHER mistake (i.e., insisting on marriage). You’ll only compound the problem. Second, which is more despicable: to hurt SooJi NOW with aborted marriage plans or to hurt her LATER with a loveless marriage? SooJi always wanted a “real” marriage. Third, SH wasn’t like his father. His father had no qualms marrying and using one woman to advance his business while being in love with another. SH was doing the right thing in quitting the game with SJ. Fourth, although SH originally proposed the marriage it was SJ who altered the terms to fit her romantic dreams. Let’s be clear about this: SJ only proposed a marriage to sabotage or frustrate their parents’ plans. According to SeJoo, SJ directed his anger only toward his dad. A marriage between friends was all he was looking for. SJ however would only agree to marriage if it was real, aka love match. She dared him to kiss her and to prove that it’d be a real marriage but SH balked. Just like years ago, he couldn’t kiss her. If people would just put aside their shipping hearts, they’d see that this was an obvious sign that he just wasn’t into her – NOT IN THAT WAY. His marriage proposal had been for a marriage of convenience. Immediately after his failure to kiss her, SJ switched gears and changed her condition: I’ll marry you if you seduce TH. SH replied, “Deal!” To me, SooJi quickly gave him a second chance because she actually DID want to marry SH but she didn’t want to beg him to love her. As for SH, he teased SJ with this sexual innuendo, “Because what I’ll gain is more amazing.” On the surface, it seemed like he was hinting that he looked forward to a love marriage with SJ. But again, to me, he was ONLY teasing SJ about the pleasure of seduction. (And frankly, I’ve doubts NOW that he could go through with it. Didn’t you see his reaction in Episode 11 to TaeHee’s cheeky consent, when he said that they might have to sleep overnight somewhere if he piggybacked her all the way to Seoul? TaeHee was definitely flirting with him back then but HE was taken aback. Huh?) SJ however understood his remark to mean that he was anticipating seducing TaeHee so she waspishly reminded him not to fall in love with her. She was exhibiting jealousy already because SHE wanted him. Really! Shihyun was onto something when he cheekily said, “Why does it sound like you’re talking about yourself?” Sixth, he didn’t tell SJ about TaeHee because he knew that SJ was not only a vengeful person but she had an evil streak, too. Remember what SJ said about revenge. She said - source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/03/the-great-seducer-soojis-revenge/ Hi @maisquared. Thanks! And thanks too @kaoriharang for tagging me. The preview was a doozy, wasn't it? I don't like to watch previews precisely because we know its intention is to create a buzz by agitation.
  10. I always knew you had violent tendencies. hahaha. But word of advice: don't punch a guy who can flatten you like a pancake with just one leg. Did you see the massive size of Defcon?? That was an inside joke, too, from 2D1N. Defcon is such a foodie that he knows the specialty of each region that 2D1N members visit on the show. On one episode, they searched for the best hang-over soup and he proved to be a reliable resource person. The poetry used here isn't the high form of poetry with meters, rhymes and abstraction which I grew to detest. Here, the poems are simple free verses, expressing just one main idea, so even a non-literati like you and me will understand them without problem. I'm staying away from that shippers thing here at soompi. Just like in Reply 1988, I have already formed by own ideas but I'll post them in my blog where I can be open and free about them. Hurry up with Episode 2.
  11. I was looking for a slow-paced kdrama with a slice-of-life theme and I think I found it in “Poem a Day.” It reminded me of the Reply series. Who wants to join me here? @onlysb1 @nearsea @phikyl I see that @USAFarmgirl and @stroppyse are already here. Do you watch all the dramas??!! I'm blogging this, too so l'll only post an except here. With the three picture limitation on soompi, it's tedious to transfer everything here only to put them in spoilers. To be honest, the literary title almost scared me away but the poetic execution of the words into actions convinced me to stay. I always like it when the director exerts effort to match the cinematography with the writer’s script. Take for example the ending scene of Episode 1. The lead character, a depressed BoYoung was sitting on a bench along a path near her hospital and reading a bunch of letters from her former patients. They were letters of gratitude for her “friendly” service. In one of them, the patient wrote back the poem BY once read to her for comfort. Pain and Sadness Can Also Become a Path by Lee Chul Hwan I realized this after a long time of pain That pain can also become a path. There is no life where no wind blows. The wind must blow, so that the tree will root deep inside the earth So that it won’t fall over. That is why the wind shakes the trees That is why the wind shakes all of us Pain can also become a path. Sadness can also become a path. After reading it, BoYoung realized that she too was consoled by the same words she had given to her patients; it was like her poem had come full circle, and returned to the "owner." Then, as she stood up to walk home, a letter fell from her pile. A man picked it up and called after her. But she didn’t hear him and she receded into the night. To me, the poem was foreshadowing her new beginning. Her pain and sadness just paved the path. And do you see the stoned path through the trees? That was so literal. lol. I liked how the visuals of this scene matched the poem itself. I searched for moments like this when the director surprises me with the aesthetics to fit the language and emotion of the script. Here, the ending of Episode 1 worked for me and it reeled me in to continue with Episode 2. But what I really enjoyed so far in this drama was the apple story in Episode 2. Of course, there were a few comedic moments that kept me interested. Like, DefCon portraying an indecisive doctor. lol. This is an inside joke, you know. DefCon is a member of the variety show 2Days, 1Night. I used to be a regular follow of this show (never watched Infinite Challenge). In 2D1N, he’s known as a worrywart. He earned the moniker “anxious pig” because he always worries about little inconsequential things, like winning the games, the reactions of their audience, his reputation, etc. This kdrama is parodying his character in 2D1N because his extreme anxiety to make the right decision causes him to be infuriatingly indecisive. Call it paralysis by analysis. The other characters are just as quirky. But the apple story is the pièce de résistance for me. BoYoung and her arch-nemesis/ex-crush/subordinate Min-Ho were asked by a patient to peel a bag of apples as a favor. His tired wife was still sleeping and he didn't want to wake her up. For a variety of reasons which I won’t explain, BoYoung found the request “burdensome” and she passed the job on to MinHo, who also didn’t want to do it. He mangled the task and the patient asked him to please slice the apples prettily. Their patient died the following day. At the funeral, the wife expressed her deep gratitude for the peeled apples. It had been her birthday that day and apples were her favorite. But since she couldn’t slice them, and neither could her sick husband, the husband requested BoYoung to do it. The wife was thankful that BoYoung didn’t reject the request despite her busy schedule and had delegated the job to MinHo. It had given her husband great pleasure to see her eat those apples, and that happy moment had been his last. Naturally, the two were guilt-ridden. What I also liked about this scene was the play on words. The Korean word for apple is sagwa, and sagwa is the homonym of the Korean word for sorry. Thus, apple = sorry, apology, regret. Did you see the significance? The patient was SORRY for the trouble he was causing to the therapists because of the APPLES. But he had no recourse but to bother them because he wanted to gift his wife with her favorite apples. After his death, both BoYoung and MinHo were also SORRY that they felt encumbered by the patient’s small but (as it turned out) LAST request. The apples, too, became a symbol of apology to them. Moreover, to me, it’s an amusing take on that American idiom, an apple a day kept the doctor away. The bag of source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/04/01/poem-a-day-reply-series-for-therapists/
  12. Don't worry, @USAFarmgirl. I think there's a fairly innocent reason for that vain, self-congratulatory remark of his, "I deserve full marks." It isn't time yet to sock him in the solar plexus. My guess is he was admiring his handiwork. Do you see the fairy lights and the living room set behind him? I believe he had those put up there for TaeHee. Either HE did it himself (and we know that he's not a handyman at all) or he hired the maintenance people to do it for him. Whatever. My guess is he had planned to surprise TH with a starlit event to make up for the missed date at the villa -- but TH left right before he could get his plan into motion. Now, why do I say that he staged this her? Because when he had called her up on the phone to tease her "hana, dul" back in Episode 5, there were no lights behind him. I checked. This was in Episode 5. See the bare walls? So there you go. My guess is our boy was just congratulating himself for thinking of a neat surprise for her. And he was probably chuckling because...because... well, because this was such a stupid and romantic thing to do and he hadn't done this before. hahahaha. What do you think? I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now at least. But one wrong move in the penultimate episode, and he's dead to me. I'm trigger-happy, as you know. Tagging @Pam_Van Fossen, too.
  13. Hey there, @nearsea. A longer response to you is on my blog. I'm a bit pressed for time right now so I won't be able to transfer the load of pics over here. Sorry. But I'm posting an excerpt on the Fisherman and the bait. I'm tagging @biancapot because her comment was my incentive to analyze it. Thanks, biancapot. What’s up, @kokodus? When you're a senior citizen, especially an independently wealthy FEMALE senior citizen, any kiss given by a young man younger than you should be considered "calculating" - if you get my drift. hahaha. . @nearsea, the thing is my views on seduction is pretty liberal. To me, seduction is inherently neither great nor vile. It depends on the motive, circumstances, and the objective behind the seduction. Sure, the corruption, artifice and manipulation involved in seduction are often condemned. Rightly so. But there are times when being seduced is exceptionally thrilling. pwahahaha. For instance, when the seducer and "seducee" (for lack of a better term) are two equal opponents, seduction can be an engaging battle of wits, like a chess match or a tango, with the prize going to one who outlasts the other. There's a tacit understanding between the seducer and the seducee to keep everything light, entertaining, and civilized. Me? I like the challenge of being seduced, the amusement of rejecting the seducer and the gratification of being viewed as someone alluring enough to be seduced. In the case of TH and SH, however, I get the impression that there was a MUTUAL seduction going on. TH teases him and flirts with him, too. She gives as good as she gets. But of course, it’s all fun and games for them until one loses a heart... Shoutout to @triplem, @lavender2love, @phikyl and @USAFarmgirl Okay, here are my notes on this Fisherman Allegory. Others can have their own opinions; that's okay. ************************************** SJoo: A fisherman once told the bait to catch a fish. But the bait became friends with the fish. The bait thinks, Should it escape the safety of the hook and sink to the floor or… SJ: What’s this nonsense? Just so we’re on the same page here: The fisherman is SJ. The bait is SH and the fish is TH. SH is debating whether to end their charade and be friends (or date) with TaeHee for real. SJoo: Why do you think TaeHee left? (He was ever so tactful!! SJoo didn’t want to accuse her of being spiteful. He didn’t want to get her riled up. So in a roundabout way, he was making her admit to her meddling last night.) SJ: How would I know that? (She was in denial here. Of course, she knew why. Didn't she tell TH at the pool that she could be mean? "I pretend like I don’t know and I don’t understand. Mean and mischievous." ) SJoo: Say that you really wanted to find out if SiHyun was interested in TaeHee. That’s why you planned this trip to see them together. But you know what? You became the fisherman. What would be the next step? You would have to tell TaeHee that there’s no place for her in our group. SJoo was letting her know indirectly, that HE knew what she was up to last night when she disappeared. He knew that she would say anything, even lies, to TaeHee in order to make her feel unwanted and leave their villa in a hurry. And he was right. SJ did end up telling TH that she had prior and greater claim over the “fishbait” SH. SJ: What are you getting at? SJoo: But you failed. (He was narrating her story for her so she didn't have to admit to the guilt. lol. She wasn’t able to get rid of TH because SH followed her. She failed because she lost the bait to the fish.) Then what should your last step be? SJ: That’s not funny. Stop writing a story. SJoo: What did you tell her in the swimming pool? You can tell me. SJ: Why are you looking at me like that? SJoo: Could it be my interest? SJ: Get lost. SJoo: Should we catch just one fish? I make mean seafood soup. (He was back to playing dumb.) SJoo definitely isn’t dumb as he pretends to be. He understands SJ like no other — much better than SH, in fact. source: http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/03/28/the-great-seducer-the-fisherman-allegory/
  14. Also, about the bouquet of roses, @USAFarmgirl. Don't feel bad when she didn't bring it home with her nor place it in a vase with water. Instead she did this, right? She wasn't being cruel to those roses. I think she was preserving them. That's how I air-dry flowers. I hang them upside down in the garden shed where there's no sunlight, and leave them be for weeks. But unlike SJ, I would have removed the tacky paper and plastic wrappings first.
  15. I'm here, @USAFarmgirl. And I’m with you. Counting “hana, dul” before leaning in to kiss her bugged me, too. It put the kiss in a different light. It would be stupid of us to ignore that in the previous phone scenes, he had also counted the number of rings before he hung up on her. He’s a player and he knows that timing is key. Definitely, this kiss could be seen as a jerk-move on his part. He planned to kiss TH as part of the seduction game that he and SooJi are playing. However, the romantic in me choose to think that his counting “hana, dul” exposed how he truly felt about her – that he was indeed falling in LIKE with her. lol. An aside: How do the young generation Koreans say “I love you”? Answer: Joahae. Jinjja joahae. You see, he didn’t finish counting before he swooped in. Hana, dul, SET. On the count of three, he should have kissed her. But he didn’t finish counting because he couldn’t resist her. He lost his marbles. On the whole, I think the writer is going to utilize this guessing game, i.e., is he manipulating her or not, and drag it for a few more weeks to keep our attention longer. But to me, part of understanding his character is looking at his unguarded reactions in those unfamiliar moments when he is NOT required to play the gigolo role. He’d perfected acting suave -- according to the conventions of HIS social status. But outside his privileged habitat and decadent lifestyle, he revealed his true nature. Take for example his days spent with the senior citizens at the retirement home. Or when he was hauled in to the police station like a common thief. Both times showed that he was really out of his league, and nothing like a “dangerous beast” that he claimed to be. As a matter of fact, in those moments, I’d say that TaeHee was the lethal seducer. She had charmed the halmonis with her cheerfulness, and she had blown away the police sergeant with her argument. Meanwhile, SH looked like the inept teenager that he was. Okay, I have more to add to your comments on this (like why I don’t think SJ is the Great Seducer but the Misguided Manipulator, lol, and why I don't think he and SJ are a good match). But I have to rest my wrist now. I AM blogging about this kdrama, however. So if you’re interested, come on over and chat with me sometimes. I'll double-post this over there, too. My views on Episode 8. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/03/22/the-great-seducer-episode-8/ My views on the earlier episodes. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/03/22/the-great-seducer-first-impressions/ My (lame) attempt at poetry analysis. http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2018/03/22/the-great-seducer-flower-power/ See you later, alligator! In a while, crocodile! Tagging @staygold, @kokodus (I saw that you were laughing at my blog name. hahaha. It's an idiot-deterrent.), @nearsea (where are you, girl?) and @phikyl
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