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  1. Hello! New here (and en passant ). I normally don't like makjang dramas, but I'm liking this. And, in this particular makjang mood, I'm shipping JY and JW very much. It's not really logical or not logical, but I sense that this kind of drama requires to ship them together . In fact, JY and JW are flawed and gray characters, not so easy to like, but not so easy to dislike either. Their ambiguity appeals to me and makes me attached to them, with this kind of liking-not liking feeling, but they are compelling people, and interesting characters. I think that they are very much in love with each other, in a tragical and makjang way; I think that both commited grave sins towards each other (adultery (JW) / deniyng parenthood (JY) - to me both are great mistakes), and this is why I can see (and ship) them together. About MH, he is too good to be good (as a character lol), and NK is too bad to be a good bad (lol - in fac she is more interisting and layered than him). I hope that - in special MH, will have any kind of development where he will become more layered: as for now, I think he isn't interesting at all and I can't relate to him. This is all! Merry Christmas !!!!
  2. Hello! Long time no see! After a long time, I logged in just to show my thoughts about what I think is unnecessary (and - sorry if I'm being harsh - ridiculous) uproar. First of all, So Min and Leejoon are professionals, and are known to be very serious and commited to their profession. If both of them should promote their work, and if this requires that they have to promote the chemistry between them and their co-stars, they would and have to do that. If actors who are not single don't promote their work, be that romance or not - even if implies be friendly and make sure their chemsitry is credible, I bet directors, writers and producers won't like to engage those actors that are not single. Second, I would like to ask if it was the other way around (that is: if it was Lee joon or any other male actor being friendly with his co-star) people will make such a uproar about it. Normaly, I'm not someone who likes to explain everything through the bias of sexism, but we can't deny that women are easier to be judged severily and to be expected/demanded to have a certain kind of behaviour, which in a man nobody will think innapropriety. In other words: people will easily say that a woman's behaviour is inappropriate while the same kind of behaviour will pass as normal if it was a guy. Third: I watched the bts' and pics, expecting to see something strange and compromising and to my "deception" there was nothing in it that could be see as different in her behaviour from her time working with LMK. The way she behaves toward SIG is the same as her behaviour towards LMK. If we remember the thousands of "proves" showed by their shippers that they were a item - through the bts and pics - we will see the same uproar as now (but now is worst because as people knows she is with LJ, they read her behaviour as "cheating" or innapropriated or "she have to be single now otherwise she is cheating or behaving as an easy girl"). It is true that she is friendly and confortable around SIG, but IMO it is also true the same with her other co-star, who plays her older brother, and even with a guy who plays a policeman. I really can't see any difference, other than the fact with the male leads she has more time together, and obvious has more proximity. SM is known as someone playfull with her partners, easygoing and probably is doing her job promoting her drama through exposing the chemistry between them. And now, let's be logical: a) Lee Joon knows SM and knows that she is friendly and professional, and in spite of that, he loves her and is willing to date her, knowing how difficult it is to date a celebrity, in special when he has to be "off" and the gilrfriend has to work (on) and knows that the girl has to take all the eyes and "bashing" from the public, which is worst in the case of actresses. b) If Lee Joon doesn't mind when she is being friendly with her partners , why should the fans demands another kind of behaviour or judge her behaviour? We don't know their relationship, and so, we don't know what LJ thinks about this. I bet he understands and accepts it as a trait of SM's personality that he loves. Because I bet he is mature, he is sure of himself, he knows he is enough of a man to her, he trusts her, so he won't be unsure of her (and himself lol!!) c) The fact that LJ is in a special service now, allows them to be seeing each other frequentely. This means that the risk of MS time is minimal in their case. If they broke now it would be because they are not meant. And if it was the case, I bet they would have announced that. d) SM knows very well this industry. She knows how things works to women. It would be so idiot of her if she being in a relationship with a guy, is cheating on him, or is liking another co-star, and while that puts pics and behaves in a careless way that it could betray her and attract public bashing (now and) when news about the supposed broke up/new relationship comes up!! It is soooo idiot to do it that, to me, her behaviour (the pics uploaded and so on) are evidences that she is still very much taken by LJ. e) So, let's not be so worried and sometimes even "mean" towards them. Besides, que sera sera!! I don't believe that I wrote so long about what I think is a silly uproar! Back to logged out mode! Bye P.S.: If people knows what brazilians actors have to do, even married ones, nobary will have any worries about koreans celebrities lol
  3. Dear fellow MA fans, If you are waiting to find a show that comes near My Ajussi on quality and "hooking-ability" to be able to watch and enjoy a new drama, then I'm afraid you will have to wait many many years or maybe forever. This kind of quality from a tv production happens only a few times in a viewer lifetime: it is a kind of epiphany that arises through a conjunction of mysterious and mystical phenomena!! My advice: put MA on its due high place, then lower your expectations - making an epistemological cut or a Kierkegaardian leap -, and with a detached espirit, I believe, one can be able to watch and enjoy another drama after MA. True: It is not easy, I myself tried two or three times (About Time, Secretary Kim and Marry Me), before being able to enjoy (as entertanment) a new show. This happened with Investigation Couple (I like very much the main actor) and I'm currently enjoying Mr Sunshine (in spite of not being a fan of KES - BTW I'm surprised that some issues from MA surface here too [age gap and "pretty young face can be a cold murderer, but I love him and hope he will get the girl"] lol). I don't expect more than a few hours of pure tv entertainment, nor do I expect (or want) to be hooked, just to have enough interess to be able to follow and enjoy a show without much engagement. And this is working now . P.S.: Another point - I will be surprised if MA get some awards. Not because it hasn't enough quality (on the contrary!!!), but precisely because its high quality. We can't forget that this is an industry, and in this environiment quality means high ratings: even if MA was a beloved drama, its ratings wasn't the highest amongst the higher ratings (e.g.: LL, Secretary Kim and that Noona food drama have an average higher ratings than MA). I'm afraid that if this KES drama keeps its high ratings, there will be no place to MA in the awards, nor to others dramas . So, in regards to awards, I think we should also lower our expectations. This is all for now. Back to my logged out lurker mode .
  4. Hello @justamom, I'm here every day, only not logged in . Yes, I know the book. Meu pé de laranja lima (My sweet orange tree) is very popular in Brazil, through the book itself and also through movie and telenovelas (soap opera). Part of the book's success rests on its ability to be read, at the same time, as a child book and as an adult book. It took me a bit of time to understand that Zeze is Zezé (it makes a huge difference in portuguese) lol. Zezé is a five yo boy, very precocious and prankish, who learned to read alone and lives in a transition between real world and fantasy: he has a great imagination, but at the same time has a deep understanding (for his age) of reality. Due to his pranks, he is severely punished by his family. Only his sweet sister (Glória) can sometimes save him. He has two friends: the orange tree (Minguinho - who is still young and which first blooming happens at the end of the story) and an old portuguese immigrant. Making comparison between Zezé, the young orange tree and IU's lyrics, I really understand why one can see it as an erotic song. I don't know if this is widespread, but in my country, a flower can be a symbol of virginity, and to say to take "the flower" is a metaphor of to take the woman's virginity. I will not deal with other words in IU's song, but it seems to me that the lyrics of her song can be seen as very controversial, in special in a conservative country like Korea. Bye!
  5. Hi! A few days ago my computer logged me out from here. I thought: Good, if I can't logged myself out, the gods of work did that for me lol. But, after lurking through My Ahjussi Fan Site, I can't help but come here to congratulate everyone who helped to make this amazing site. Thank you! Now, I will log out for sure. But will still follow you here and at the Fan Site. Bye P.S.: Two things about DH and car - I think that at episode 3 or 4 DH said that he didn't have a car (when he answered a ["fake"] phone call from KB). I think that this add to the insights that you are making here about this issue. Second, the Family's Honor Drama has is a similar situation where the girl (regularly) sits back while the guy drives. This couple (my favourite) has a age gap and the guy is in a divorce process. They share something with DH-JA couple, in the sense that the girl falls first and acknowledge this easily; the guy thinks he is in a friendship relationship and doens't want to be/know he is in love (the development is different though). But, the fact is that she sits back and then, I thought it was because he was still married/ fresh divorced and she was younger; so it was to avoid people gossip and to keep a respectful distance. Nonetheless, their conversation during those drives where the moment when they talked and shared ideas and feelings. In other words: they were occasions for fall in love with each other. ;)
  6. I didn’t intend to post here again. Till now I could resist temptation, but after what @andius wrote about DH and “Thank you”, I couldn’t resist anymore. Her (his?) insight made me remember and think about a few details, maybe not that important, but it helped me to understand even better the end. So, I would like to share my thoughts for the last time. On DH’s “thank you” to JA: directly and indirectly. Preamble: I need to say that, to me, from the very beginning, DH was intrigued and drawn to JA. When the bribe event occurred, aside for being intrigued he became also unsettled by and upset with her. After the resolution, he became still more intrigued and drawn to her, but also grateful and ashamed because he thought ill of her; this happened in episodes 1 and 2. During episode 3, he was grateful, uncomfortable, unsettled, upset, perturbed by her, and still intrigued, drawn to her and bewildered by her capacity of insight; in this episode happened the kiss and “The Train” – he was here also “physically” challenged by her. From episode 4 to the first half of episode 7 their friendship begins, he begins to let down his guard and became comfortable around her, it is also when he gets a better insight and understanding of JA. At the end of episode 7, DH is unconscious (but clearly) falling in love with her; and this unconscious process keeps on until episode 10, when JA confessed and he is forced to look at it. From episode 11 to episode 13, it is the “denial” phase of DH: he denies his and her feelings, when he can’t deny her feelings he tries to downgrade it as pity and/or crush; it is a time when he is also busy with his marriage and office battle. In episode 14, with his office problems and marriage troubles relatively settled, he can’t deny his feelings for JA anymore. Episode 15 and also ¾ of episode 16, I think that, despite his feelings for JA, he has decided on not act upon it because his baggage (and what it implies): here he gives prove of his great willpower. At the end of episode 16, he is free and ready to begin a new life. 1. The first time DH said “thank you” directly to JA was at the end of episode 2 (1: 10’ 24”), in the train. Earlier, he tried to invite her (to eat/drink) as a means of “thanks”, but she brushed him off. After that, he gathered with his brothers. Here, something (that I had forgotten) very interesting happened: KH said seriously that JA liked DH (due to her help with the bribe), SH joked about that; but, later on KH still serious said to DH he should “keep your distance from her”, because girls were reckless. He also said that if it was him, it wouldn’t be a problem, but “if you’re corrupted at all, than you will die”. After that, JA calls him to eat, and then came the “thank you”. 2. The second time that he said it directly was in episode 6 (52’ 07”). He scolded JA because she hit the office guy, however he also said “thank you for hitting him”. After that, it was the first time that they went to “their bar” and for the first time JA let her guard down in front of him. 3. The third time that he said “thank you” directly to her was during the first half of episode 7 (34’00”), when he invite her to drink and eat at “their bar”, and he said “I’m treating you to thank you” for her help with the bribe case. He even bought food to her grandmother (a gift!!). 4. From episode 8 to episode 12 he didn’t say “thank you” to her anymore. 5. In episode 13, he said two times “thank you” to her, but now in an indirectly way. First in the car, after she messages him; then near the train line, when he said “thank you for being by my side”. It is here also when he said that to say it directly he knows how it could be understood. 6. In episode 15, DH said three times “thank you” directly to JA, after meeting her at janitor’s house. It was a very emotional encounter. 7. During episode 16, when meeting at “their” bar, it was JA who thanked DH, and it was then that he made the “clearest” confession to her, albeit being DH (ambiguous). I think it was also an indirect way to thank her, so I included it here. 8. Finally, at the end of episode 16, he said looking into her eyes “thank you” (directly). Conclusion: Why, during episode 13, DH gave so much weight to say “thank you” to JA? It is implied that he won’t say it because it would/could be seen as a confession. But why? If we look at the first 7 episodes, he said “thank you” to her often and without embarrassment. He even invited her to eat and drink to thank her. Furthermore, nobody could argue that then it would be innocent, because: a) the first time, he said thank you after KH clearly said to him that JA likes him, and then KH even alert him to keep his distance from her – if SH was joking about JA, KH wasn’t. b.) the second and third (with dinner) times was after the attempted kiss, and after the “slap face”. Both actions could be seen as she liking him, so saying “thank you” could be easily misunderstood by her (or anyone) as more than that. My argument is that, from episode 1 to episode 7, DH didn’t feel or see himself as emotionally deeply attached to JA. He could see her as an interesting and intriguing person, someone with whom he could talk and be friend(ly), but any other kind of attraction arising, he could still easily brush away as nothing: so, he could say “thank you” directly to her as a friend/colleague says “thank you” to another, because he didn’t see himself emotionally attached to her. However, from the end of episode 7 to episode 13, even if he doesn’t acknowledge it and/or didn’t permit himself to think about it, deep down he knew that something was happening to him, that he couldn’t brush away his emotional attachment to JA anymore: from this point on, say “thank you” to her implied and meant more than a friendly sentiment of gratitude, it would imply a confession. It would imply and mean an expression of love; it would mean expressing a deep feeling of gratitude towards the loved one. Therefore, when DH said he couldn’t say directly “thank you” because how could it be seen, it wasn’t because JA could misunderstand him, but because she could get him right, even more due to her ability to understand him. It was for his protection and not for hers; it was because he couldn’t be free to acknowledge it; it was because he couldn’t confess to her and particularly to himself what was going on with his feelings. Episodes 14, 15 and ¾ of episode 16 was when DH finally acknowledge (only) to himself his feelings (but the others – brothers, YH and JH – knew or felt what was going on), but he decided to keep it to himself and to endure his current life. The “thank you” here came during his unclear/ambiguous confessions to her, and as making part of those (no)confessions: if he was saying so much (even if not enough), saying “thank you” wasn’t dangerous anymore. It is interesting and very important that, for the most part of the moments they were together during these two episodes, DH’s body was very stiff and keeping distance from JA, as a way to counterbalance his (no)confessions. I think that, as he had decided to not give in to his feelings, he had to send a message to JA that clearly stated that, and his body countenance was the medium. So, with words, he made (ambiguous – maybe yellow sign?) confessions, with his body he put a red sign in front of her. Therefore, when at the end of episode 16, holding her hand and looking deep down in her eyes, he said “thank you” to her, this was the green sign that JA was waiting for. That “thank you” with everything that came together: smile, eyes expression, holding hands with that intensity (with no sign of repression in his body), doesn’t wanting to let go of her hand – means his confession, his “now, I can go to you” answer. To DH, being thankful to JA is an essential part of his love for her. So, DH saying “thank you” to JA means a confession. JA understood his last “thank you” clearly and hopefully. P.S.: I’m sorry for this long post. My only excuse is that this will be my last post. I have to go back to my real life, now! However, I will still come here to keep in touch with your thoughts. Thank you very much to everyone here. I loved yours wonderful thoughts, good humor and sympathy. I had a great time being part of this thread. Thanks again! And Bye!
  7. The positive side: the author is sure they are not in a platonic relationship !
  8. lol You were so polite!!! Maybe because I'm Christian I will feel myself freeler to be more "rude" lol.
  9. I do understand you very well. I found that whole uproar about age gap amusing, but also a bit rude towards people in this kind of situation. As well as you, in my life, age gap is something "normal": my grandparents were 15 years apart, my grandmother married at 17 years old (back then it was legal and usual in my country!), and their love story is known in my family as the most beautiful and greatest love that ever happened between us. They had many children, two daughters married with a greater age gap: 22 and 18 years apart from their husband. I, myself, did follow my grandparents example. I agree that what makes their relationship right, it is the fact that they are both adults and mature; in many aspects JA did seem to be older than him, her soul was old, and this is why it didn't look out of place when she said she was 30 thousand years old. Their relationship was balanced – sometimes it was JA who learned from DH, sometimes it was DH who learned from JA; they understand and respect each other as a full person, and as equal, despite their differences in life (age, status, etc.). And in part, this respectful and balanced relationship comes from JA’s attitude: she never accepted to be treated or considered as a not full adult, never accepted be treated by DH as a kid/child. She always put herself as a woman/adult in face of him. In a sense, I think JA considered DA as an innocent and naïve guy, who should be protected by her. They complement each other because DH was, let’s say, “humanistically” more mature than JA, and JA was “realistically” more mature than DA. This is why I think that to say JA has a hero worship love towards DA is to infantilize and disempowered her, it is to downplay the depth of her character and everything she has battle for, including her independency and autonomy. JA didn’t find a hero in DH, she did find in him, for the first time, a real human being. And that is something so precious to her, that she has to protect him with her whole being. JA didn’t need a hero, but a real human being with his strengths, his fragilities and kindness; someone with who she can rest, share her hardships and learn how to live her humanity to the fully. From JA’s (adult) point of view, it is impossible not to be in love with DH, with him she not only can receive, she can also give. And to be able to give and to receive is to love deeply and fully.
  10. @noor1 lol, You tried always to be very objective before (and appear to achieve a higher degree of objectivety than most of us), but forgive me if I say this: it seems that the ending has playing with your emotions more than you would like or would expected, and this is maybe affecting your normaly way of see things objectively. Am I wrong? I apology if I am. I will say why objetively YH and DH are over, albeit it isn't clear if they are already divorced: 1. The drama never ever tried to make any movement to show any process of healing their marriage. So, narratively wise, there is no room for saving their marriage. If we agree this writer is good, not dealing with this "saving marriage" and then presenting them on the last minutes as "couple saved" it would be just bad writing. 2. The drama showed many times the impossibility of saving this marriage, which one was the barman saying that you can endure for a time, but then it is ended a marriage if there is betrayal. 3. As many pointed out, YH was ashamed maybe repented, but she wasn't in love. She just wanted to attone for her sin. Never she tried (at least not hard enough) to save their marriage, she was just waiting for DH's decision. 4. The pics: objetively, for someone who kept a family photo (he, wife, son) on the office desk after knowing everything about his wife betrayal, why wouldn't he keep a family photo on his desk after everything is forgot and healed? No, this means exactely that they are no more a family, and the 3 brothers's pic shows his family now. Three pics with mother-son from three different moments means that she is abroad for a long time. She is settleted there. Plus the info about the fact that the mother wants the son to stay there until college tells for itself. 5. The pics show that DH is in good terms with YH, and in a sense he doesn't alianates her from his life. He is a generous person. (plus, if he hasn't any hope to be with his soulmate, what difference makes to have his son and mother's pics? lol). 6. What is unclear is if they are already divorced. If this is an year time skip, so probably not yet. It would be in character: if he or she hasn't others plans (e.g. marry somebody else) they probably could stay many years separated, but not officialy divorced. About DH-JA meeting again and she being only kindred hearts of him like the monk would be. First, the show stated that the monk and DH were best friends, but never stated/showed that they were soulmates/kindred spirits (or at least I never saw that way). Second, the drama till the ending showed that JA is in love with DA, but let implicitely his feelings. If we are talking about kindred hearts or soulmates, and they are kindred hearts/soulmates of each other, the logic says that in this kind of situation both kindred hearts/souls will be at the same page; therefore, if we have one half that explicitely shows its feelings, we can deduce the other's half feelings from the first half of the soulmates/kindred hearts. So, logicaly, if JA loves DH, then DA loves JA. That's simple.
  11. Yes! Good insight about the two VO. Since the first time I heard the VO at the ending, I thought it was the present and the future overlapping. This is why I'm convinced they are together, happy!
  12. To me, from TVN's subs (and from what ower translators said), that conversation was about the son. YH appears there as the mother. It is normal that when parents (divorced or not) are talking about their children, they will make references to the other parent. I don't see any indication that they are together, because YH's reference is only secondary to the conversation. What is the purpose for that conversation? To me, to do the up date about DH's personal life. Could it be done differently? It could, but the whole thing about this show related to DH's character (since the first episode) is: they don't show it straightforward, they show it in an indirect, hidden, implicit way, through nuances and half words. In this sense, the drama remained consistent. To me, that random guy represents "the Viewers". Writer is telling to us that YH is living abroad, time has passed, she changed status from "my wife" to "JS'smother". If we get it this way: they are definitively separated, we can appreciate better what comes after that. What I see then is a DH "out of character" because he isn't passive anymore, he takes action to show interest and to make physical contact: he invites her, he asks to shook hands and keeps it until she makes the moviment to drop the hand, he stares at her with emotion, he simply can't contain his bliss/happiness when she makes a promisse to buy him food. To me that sad face is in fact only a half sad face, due to the fact that he can't prolong their time together there. I will share a personal experience about sad face: when I first met my husband, after some time, we exchange our telefone numbers and I said "have to go". He said ok and made a sad face: I read that as if he was sad because I had to go and he was really enjoying my company and would like to prolong it. His sad face made my heart flutter . I really thing the whole scene was well played and directed: we can see many emotions at play - shyness, insecurity, awkwardness, happiness, sadness, fondness, longing, determination, hope. And, to close it, a foreshadowing from one of their dates. After a first impression full of conflict, I'm really in peace with this ending now. I'm sure they will be happy together.
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