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  1. Hi Soompiers! Can't believe it's already one week since the finale of Mr. Sunshine (why you needed to remind us @rubie????) Now that I've more-or-less calmed down (not really, but calm enough not to post random reaction gifs) from the aftermath of Mr. Sunshine (can't say the same for AS and other fictional- and real- people having to endure 30-40 years of Japanese oppression of Korea), I've couple of more things to say regarding the overall progression and message of the drama. Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Hi @rubie. Sorry to cut your post into two. As far as endings are concerned, I prefer logical endings, be it happy or sad. I become annoyed with the idea of throwing out "sad"/dying endings for the sake of throwing a "memorable punch" that viewers would "never forget". i mean, we already deal with real life throwing ambiguous, "memorable" punches at us; we don't need this kind of ending in K-dramas (or any fictional work) if it's not necessary. Similarly, I get peeved whenever I see dramas or movies (usually K-dramas) with overly filler, sappy endings in which the protagonists suddenly condone, forgive, or even become friendly with villains or other characters who have "last-minute, nonsensical" redemption despite spending the majority of the drama harassing, sabotaging and/or even attempting to kill said protagonists. Again, Mr. Sunshine took place in a tumultuous era in Joseon Korea during which the Joseon people and government were grappling with the inevitable Japanese annexation, their own fallacies within their social classes and affairs, and betrayals/abandonment from their own people and potential allies including the U.S. So, I would not have expected a full-blown happy ending in which all the villains (the Japanese government/army conducting and condoning their atrocities, Wan Ik, Takeshi Mori, etc.) die off before successfully conquering Korea, while our beloved characters, including AS and EC, sail off into the sunset (no pun intended here) unscathed without any PTSD. Also, I appreciate that KES did not shy away from depicting the pain, trauma, and outrage toward all those situations the Joseon people faced from both the Japanese and their own kind (and, to a lesser extent, the U.S. and other foreigners staying in Joseon Korea); after all, the current Japanese government continues whitewashing the history of the 30-40 year Japanese conquering of Korea, thus leaving most Japanese citizens (and others around the world including the U.S. who don't usually cover that time period in their history curriculum) unaware about the true extent of the Japanese atrocities in Korea back then. Nonetheless, I could have accepted EC's death (and that of HS, DM, HN, and even Haman and Mr. Haengrang) if it was not portrayed as partly (of course not entirely, but still) due to AS' increasing disconnect from EC and her loved ones during her lone quest for Joseon independence (while she joined the RA, she somewhat felt as though she didn't belong there either). I get that AS did not want EC, Haman, and other loved ones to get captured, tortured, and/or killed by the Japanese army because of their relations with her- hence, the separation and refusal to fully divulge her plans. However, given EC's past strategic takedowns (i.e., planting Emperor/King Gojong's letter in the villianous Minister Lee's household to implicate Minister Lee for "treason") and Haman and Mr. Haengrang's constant "parenting" of AS in earlier episodes, AS should have considered that EC, Haman, Mr. Haengrang, and others who cared about her would not just let AS risk her own life alone without doing something to help her, whether or not they understand or agree with her cause. Otherwise, why would Haman and Mr. Haengrang return from their refuge in Manchuria and offer to divert the Japanese army from locating any RA fighters at the expense of their own lives!? Last but not least, however poignantly KTR (AS) and LBH (EC) acted out their farewell (with a moving musical score/OST to boot ), that train scene could've either been avoided or handled differently had AS directly informed EC of her plans for evacuating the remaining RA fighters and their family members via train. As a former U.S. soldier with military expertise, EC would have offered alternatives for plotting their escape while evading Japanese capture. And it goes without saying (as it's been mentioned by other Soompiers here) about how EC could've just shoved the hostage towards the Japanese army in the other train cart and then shoot/disconnect the train carts while staying in the same cart with AS and others!!!!!!! However dire and seemingly doomed the fight for Joseon independence would be (as reflected in real life, unfortunately), AS could have had at least one comrade she personally cared for and vice versa who would be willing to support her cause and stay by her side throughout the rest of the fight/drama; and who else other than her steadfast betrothed EC! Not to mention that AS and EC could have had future descendants of the sun (pun intended here, ) looking onward with adult Domi (perhaps it's just me, but Kim Min Jae somewhat resembles BYH (HS)) and carrying out the spirit and legacy of their cause for Joseon independence from Japanese oppression. So many missed opportunities here, KES... Thanks for bringing this up; for I have one more critical question that I'm not sure if it was clarified by KES or any Soompiers somewhere in this thread: Why is this drama titled "Mr. Sunshine"? Other than AS absentmindedly saying "Mister...sunshine" towards the end of Ep. 10 while learning "S" and reeling over EC's past revelation, what was KES's message behind both the drama and the title of this drama? Because, as you said, it sure didn't end with "rainbows and sunshine", especially when the aforementioned "Mr. Sunshine" died (in a poignant but still arguably illogical manner for a U.S. soldier who had shown instances of strategic takedowns in previous episodes)! Seriously, though, I am curious as to why KES chose this title to reflect the overall message of this drama. What did "Mr. Sunshine" represent? If it's strictly referring to EC only, then what did he do for the sake of the main plot, including RA movement in Joseon, that would earn him the title "Mr. Sunshine", aside from AS' brief "reference" which was way before EC started reconciling with his dire past in Joseon and training the Joseon army?
  2. Hi Soompiers. Well, I can't say that my overall viewing experience of Mr. Sunshine was a smooth one, but I'm glad to have shared this experience with you and hear all your insight and updates on the trajectory of the drama. So, thank you for staying together with me during those increasingly tough, heartbreaking, and (expected but still) shockingly vicious moments towards the end of the drama. Also, shout out to the cast and crew for bringing to life the rich storyline and characterizations that embody the plight and virtue (or lack thereof- Wan Ik, I'm looking right at you...) of those striving to persevere through the inevitable downfall of Joseon Korea in the hands of the Japanese. And, objectively speaking, thanks KES for exploring this historical context and not shying away from portraying both the cruel, systematic oppression of Japanese regime and the daunting fallacies of Joseon as a society that had more-or-less forsaken and made enemies of their own people including DM, the treacherous Wan-Ik (not excusing any of his vile actions, but given his butcher class background, he probably figured, "To hell with Joseon that will otherwise abandon me") and almost EC (as a U.S. soldier and former Joseon slave, he did have the chance to leave Joseon with the U.S. at the expense of forgoing his relationship/future with AS). For the most part, KES outdid herself amidst the sea of all of those renowned romfests (Heirs, Secret Garden, DOTS, Goblin, etc.) that I normally roll my eyes over, with the exception of City Hall (but then again, Kim Sun-ah and Cha Seung-won are love and life...). All pleasantries- and well-wishes to the cast and crew who deserve acclaims for their dedication and hard work (despite TVN probably not hosting their own end-of-the-year award shows, but there are other TV/movie award ceremonies like Baeksang and Blue Dragon Award to look forward to in 2019!)- aside, my reaction to the finale, particularly the train scene, is the same as when watching AS' attempt at crossing over to Japan under the pretense of beseeching EC to take her with him to the U.S. towards the end of Ep 18 Ep. 20. For those of you who are wondering what I'm talking about (since that reaction post is somewhere on p. 118 of this Soompi thread, here's a refresher in the spoiler below: For more on this, I'll respond to the following quoted posts below: Hi @aurelionsol. Sorry to cut some of your post with ... due to length... See, that's what I was afraid we'd see when addressing the Ep. 24 preview somewhere on p. 139 of this thread. The only consolation I could gather from all this was that EC kept on trying to reassure AS that he'd support her cause and stand by her side as much as possible despite knowing what he'd get himself into. That being said, I wish AS did consider not just EC's circumstances and thoughts but also that of Haman and others who have cared for her instead of just deciding to detach herself from them "for their own safety" while staying with the RA. While AS had good intentions of evacuating her loved ones (EC, Haman, etc.) away from the Japanese, she should have realized that her loved ones- namely EC, Haman, and Mr. Haengrang-, as well as the "unlikely heroes"- specifically, HS and DM- , would not just let AS risk her life alone without intervening despite having little or no reason to fight for Joseon independence. Let's face it, Haman and Mr. Haengrang would not have returned from Manchuria and ultimately offered themselves as bait to distract the Japanese from finding any Joseon RA members IF AS had chosen to run away with them and her family to Manchuria rather than stay in Joseon to fight with the RA. And, btw, I did cry over Haman's final moments with AS in today's episode , as opposed to just raging incessantly over scenes of Japanese slaughter of Gunner Jang Seung-gu and others . If not sometime between Ep. 20 and Ep. 22 (with all those 6-month, 3-year, and other timely separations that could've otherwise been spent on AS and EC working together towards their future while evading Japanese capture and not worrying Haman and other loved ones), then the beginning of today's episode should have been a turning point for AS to reconsider whether or not it's worth continuing her long-ingrained fight for Joseon independence at the expense of losing more of her loved ones vowing to stay by her side despite her trying to dissuade them. Of course, that's a moot point to discuss any further, now that all of her loved ones (and "unlikely heroes" like HS, DM, and HN) basically died for her despite having little or no individual cause in Joseon. Not to mention that EC and AS have no child (or kiss scene, for that matter; what gives, KES!? ) who could remember and carry onward their legacy to future descendants (of the sun...no pun intended here...). As shown in the end, AS will continue soldiering her fight for Joseon independence (I guess, cheers to K-netizen viewers championing AS and the RA as some symbolic embodiment of Korean perseverance before and during the 30-40 year Japanese control of Korea) without having to worry more about the safety or whereabouts of her past or future loved ones; for said past loved ones already died, and there are no little future ones of AS and EC in sight (unless I'm mistaken; please let me know, Soompiers!)... Furthermore, as you mentioned, EC died as both a former Joseon slave with no reparations from the Joseon government and society, and a "disgraced" U.S. soldier who went against U.S. orders of retreating from Joseon and not interfering with Joseon-Japanese affairs. So where's the payoff on that!? I'd say the same for DM, who, if it weren't for AS, would not have looked back at a nation that forsook and doomed his parents to a brutal life and death at the hand of the lowly Joseon people due to their butcher class background. Okay, I'll need to cool myself down for a while so that I could appreciate more objectively the overall trajectory and message of this drama, including the finale. Hi @kansas424. I concur that KTR and LBH (along with YYS, BYH, KMJ, and other cast members) truly carried their characters and story despite the downward spiral including the WTF train scene. Seeing EC's grief-stricken yet stoic face and hearing AS's heart-wrenching "Choi Yoo-jin!!!!!!" really got to me , no matter the otherwise ridiculousness of that train scene .
  3. I've yet to see the subbed episode of Ep. 23, but I share @rubie's and @mistergenie's thoughts in their quoted posts below: As for the Ep. 24 preview, if that be so, then @aurelionsol will definitely not like what KES may have in store for AS and EC... Hi @mistergenie. Talk about dangling a red herring towards the end of Ep. 19/beginning of Ep. 20...only to shoot our hopes down with this! Here's my message for KES: I get the senseless context of this inevitable Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea, but that doesn't lessen the shock or pain of watching more of our beloved characters- major and minor- die off in such cruel fashion! Now that I dread whatever may happen to AS and EC (and HS, DM, and other characters) in the finale!!!!!!!!
  4. Hi Soompiers! Boy, that was...well that was... Before I broach on the issue at hand, let me just shout out to @lilyphenix (and other GoT fans) on last night's wins at the 70th Primetime Emmy Awards (despite no airings of the current season this year)!!!!!! *Btw, Soompi moderators, please let me know if I should remove this spoiler post above; for I'm aware that it's unrelated to Mr. Sunshine. Now back on topic: I had a busy weekend, so I wasn't able to catch up on Ep. 21 and 22 of Mr. Sunshine until now. And... Hi @blademan. Sorry to cut your post. That basically sums up my reaction to both those episodes and the preview in your quoted post. As @mistergenie (and other Soompiers whom I forgot to mention) said, that 3-year time jump was quite a whiplash that, for me, I could barely savor those earnest, heartfelt moments between AS and EC earlier in Ep. 21 and 22. And yes, EC's gradual renouncing of his identity/security as a U.S. citizen/soldier (i.e., refusal follow official orders of returning to the U.S.) was going to backfire on him after he (rightfully ) shot down Takeshi Mori and was court-martialed in the U.S. for taking such (necessary!) action- hence the 3-year separation from AS !! And don't get me started on those casualties and blow-up scare of Glory Hotel during the final moments of Ep. 22 (though, objectively, kudos to KES for not holding back on the tragic nature of Gunner Jang Seungu's death and those senseless carnage at the hand of the Japanese oppressors )! That being said, it's not like AS and EC didn't discuss or acknowledge any of those immediate or long-term consequences of their action in fighting together for their future, be it for Joseon independence or their own happiness regardless of social background or location. AS did blame herself for dragging EC down with her in her fight for Joseon independence that she has held on to long before she met him,. And EC, as always, tried to reassure AS that he wouldn't have acted any differently despite knowing those dangers as long as he could ensure AS' livelihood while staying by her side for at least one more day, and that all they could do is lean on each other for now and not spent the rest of their lives worrying about what tomorrow would bring. At this point, we Soompiers will have to take EC's "parting" (AS and EC will never part! AS will see to it! ) advice and hold on until the airing of the final 2 episodes. Ironically, I'm somewhat glad for the one-week delay, which should give us more time (there's never enough time for AS', EC's, and others' happy moments! Darn those time skips! ) to prepare ourselves for the inevitable (apparently, not just the official Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea ). But, just because it needs to be said, please be misleading with that preview!! Hearts are shattering everywhere, and heads are spinning out of space over this...
  5. Hi Soompiers! Now that I've somewhat cooled down after having watched the last 2 episodes (not entirely, but I'm not at the point where I'm about to post another radical reaction GIF ), I have a few more thoughts on the overall progression, most of which are (redundant) summation and/or additions of what I've mentioned in my previous posts. Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Hi @aurelionsol and @mistergenie. Btw, I apologize for cutting/modified parts of your post by replacing some of your passages with ... After rewatching Ep. 20 and rereading recaps of all the past episodes (mainly Ep. 20, but still...), I'm still rather as perplexed as both of you over how KES apparently "ghosted" AS' POV for the past 6 months, particularly regarding EC. Still, l'm giving KES a benefit of a doubt regarding how the final scene of Ep. 20 will continue during the first few or so minutes of Ep. 21, as well as the rest of the series; for that recent confrontation between AS and EC cannot just end with EC accusing AS of blurting "I'll go to America with you" without conviction and thus dragging him down for her cause in Joseon independence through lies/pretense/deception. That is not the sentiment or (mis)understanding that should be conveyed between the two characters who've developed a meaningful, mutual communication and connection throughout this drama, especially now that Japan is getting closer to conquering Joseon Korea and the rest of the Joseon people, including the Joseon king/emperor and the RA, are more-or-less turning on each other and thus not able to trust anyone. Sure, AS probably feels more unsettled about her own personal future, safety, and/or happiness ever since she (and her family) now lost her life and security as a Joseon noblewoman right after her grandfather's/Lord Go's death. Perhaps, also, she's afraid of losing more of her loved ones in her fight for Joseon independence, especially someone like EC who, up until he met her (and DM, HS, Gunner Jang, etc.), questioned his ties with Joseon Korea both as a U.S. soldier and a former Joseon slave who lost his parents to an unforgiving Joseon class discrimination. On one hand, I am actually relieved and pleased that AS evolved past her initial naive, romanticized notion of Joseon independence and is now coming to terms with the brutal, harsh realities of the everyday Joseon affairs, the actions/decisions of the RA (not so sure about Joseon politics), and the impending Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea. While I'd prefer that AS' sobering realization and impulsive actions as a Joseon fighter wasn't exacerbated by her grandfather's/Lord Go's death and the late WI's actions against her family (i.e., shooting down AS' grandfather's/Lord Go's funeral procession), at least AS became more aware of her overall lot in life as a fugitive guerrilla fighter even though she insisted on carrying on with her fight in Joseon rather than escape with her family to Manchuria. On the other hand, I am disheartened that AS would consider leading EC on with false promises of leaving with him to the U.S. while actually using him to sneak into Japan. What ever happened to the forthright AS who earnestly declared her feelings and beliefs (albeit naive and romanticized, at first) about what (i.e., Joseon independence) and who (i.e., EC) meant greatly to her while impulsively defending those that/who mattered to her? Unless I'm mistaken, that's the AS whom EC (and, to a lesser extent, DM and HS) cared for and respected so much that he would listen to and then consider whatever she said and/or did while honestly telling her what he believes needs to be addressed on his end (i.e., his past background as a Joseon slave and his skepticism towards AS' fight for Joseon that more-or-less disregards the slave and butcher class). Whenever AS and EC directly addressed to each other whatever's going on in their own mind, heart, and conscience (however misguided, jaded, or shortsighted their thoughts or feelings might seem to the other), they would learn from the other how to: 1. Reconsider that prior notions (i.e., AS' initial cause for Joseon independence and EC' past misgivings toward Joseon), 2. Contemplate (and sometimes act on) alternatives for their current and future prospects in or outside Joseon, and 3. Most importantly, trust and confide in each other. As I stated in my last post, AS and EC should discuss with each other whatever's been going on with them during the last six months or so, as well as their perspectives on their current and future circumstances in (and outside) Joseon. Even if it's not something they would agree on right away or in the long run (i.e., based on my limited understanding of an otherwise misleading Ep. 21 preview, AS probably told EC to flee to the U.S. while she remains in Joseon despite EC's insistence on staying by her side to protect her and/or join her cause), they owe it both to themselves and to each other the honest truth about their own perspectives. Odds are, one or both may postulate another rhetorical question (like EC's earlier question to AS regarding the fate of the disadvantaged people in the Joseon AS's fighting for), thus enlightening them to consider all other options for their individual and/or mutual future and safety that they otherwise couldn't have thought of due to the constant turmoil over the Korea/Japan conflict and the impending departure of the U.S. from Korea. Furthermore, neither AS nor EC (or any other character, for that matter) should ever have to bear the individual burdens alone, especially if they still have each other to turn to for confiding and support. Now, I am aware that we Soompiers have different thoughts regarding the fates of all the major characters, especially AS and EC. Some want AS to escape Joseon with EC (if, hopefully, he survives) and continue her fight for Joseon independence in other countries like China or the U.S. Some want EC to stay by AS' side in her (and ultimately their) fight for Joseon Independence, whether it's in Korea or in other countries like China. Some would prefer that AS, if forced to choose between her love for EC or her fight for Joseon independence, eventually renounce her long-ingrained but virtually losing battle, consider first and foremost her safety, future, and happiness (with EC, if he survives), and escape from Joseon altogether. Some want AS to stick with her beliefs and cause with or without EC. And I'm sure there are more POVs about the fates of AS, EC, and other characters that I did not include here. As for me, I want any potential hostility and/or separation due to misunderstanding between AS and EC in recent events to cease and desist, given that there are only 4 episodes left to conclude the story arcs/growth of at least 5 major characters in a tumultuous Joseon period before the official Japanese annexation of Korea. I want AS and EC to be honest to both themselves and to each other regarding their own insight on their overall current plight in Joseon, their future prospects in or outside Joseon, and their awareness of potential short-term and/or long-term consequences of their decisions and actions regarding all this matter. Last but not least, I want AS and EC to listen to and then contemplate the other's insight on all these issues without rushing him/her to respond immediately. Only then, they could move forward with respecting and/or challenging the other's POV and choosing their own and/or mutual road of destiny. As much as I'd want a happy ending for AS and EC (and other characters who deserve a happy ending), for their sake in such an unforgiving, tragic historical time period in Joseon, I'll be happy if AS and EC can still remain forthright, mindful, and trustful with each other no matter what path they take.
  6. Hi Soompiers. Here are more of my thoughts on Ep. 20 and the overall progression of Mr. Sunshine. Btw, can you believe we have only 4 more episodes left before the end?!! Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Hi @mistergenie. Thank you for pointing out something that has made me rather wary about AS' overall character growth/trajectory so far, especially regarding her future. For the most part, I'm more than fine with the actions she has taken toward defending her people (i.e., EC) and her cause (i.e., Joseon independence), especially given that WI, Takeshi Mori, and others involved in the Japanese rule dared threaten the lives of her, EC, her family (including the deceased Lord Go/AS' grandfather), and her other loved ones in rapid successions (Japanese soldiers besieging the Go household after finding out AS' attendance at the English school, WI's plans of tearing down the Go household to make way for train construction, WI's order of shooting down Lord Go's funeral procession, etc.). Now that the Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea has more-or-less commenced (unless I'm mistaken, I read in the Ep. 20 recap that the drama is now taking place in 1904 in which Korea technically became Japan's colony, but it's not until 1910 that Japan officially annexed Korea), I can understand AS' turmoil in having to strategically plan her fight for Joseon independence (while potentially leaving behind her family and even EC) in a rather limited given time that she could barely contemplate all other options of her future, particularly with EC. However, as you mentioned above, I really wished (and am still wishing for the 4 remaining episodes) that KES would show scenes of AS' POV of all this predicament during those 6 months, just like she did with EC's scenes. It would give both EC and us viewers some understanding on why AS would suddenly postulate about either going with EC to the U.S., parting ways, or even using him for her own cause/fight. In my last post, I mentioned that their strength as the OTP was that they communicated to each other their background, passions, and lot in life without much delay, and that their exchanges helped them reconsider their own past values, misgivings (i.e., AS' initial naive, romanticized cause for Joseon independence and EC's initial reluctance to train King Gojong's army(?) or the RA due to his U.S. alliance and past trauma as a former Joseon slave), and future prospects in and/or outside Joseon. Without such communication and connection, AS and EC will end up misunderstanding and distrusting each other and even start doubting their own willpower in making a difference in their future. I'll say more on this in my response to @tzupi's quoted post below. Hi @tzupi. I respect your detailed insight regarding AS and EC's dynamic and character trajectory, and I, like any other Soompier here, want AS to continue asserting herself as a strong female character who does not constantly need help/discussion from her hero and/or resort to being a plot device for the hero's own character growth/trajectory. However, in this period where the Japanese feed on the insecurities of the Joseon people including the emperor/king, no one can truly trust even their own loved ones or comrades lest he/she risks betrayal from said loved ones/comrades. Judging by the end of Ep. 20 and the Ep. 21 preview, AS and EC looked rather resentful and distrustful towards each other and exchanged some pretty harsh words. If I'm not mistaken, AS approached EC and supposedly implored about going with him to the U.S. when she was actually using him to travel to Japan, and EC accused AS of lying to him for the past 6 months and being cruel in trying to drag him in her fight for Joseon independence. AS and EC may have had the intimacy in which they may not need to discuss any more about their own stances in previous episodes, but, right now, that scenario that I just mentioned appeared as though AS and EC are starting to lose touch with that level of intimacy- or trust, more likely. At this point, AS and EC do need to discuss whatever's being going on with them over the past 6 months and now. Given everything they went through these past episodes, AS and EC cannot afford to lose their trust and communication they've established throughout this drama, especially if they're actually going to fight together for whatever cause or future (Joseon independence, their flight to China or the U.S., etc.). Sure, given the ultimate tragic outcome of this historical period, it does look less likely that AS and EC will have a happy ending/future together (or individually, for that matter). Nevertheless, while they still are around each other, they have the chance to convey, listen to, and/or acknowledge the other's perspective regarding their overall stance and future in or outside Joseon before the Japanese takes over and they have no choice but to separate for good (that is, if they choose not to leave together). While I admire AS for affirming her own decisions and actions and not backing down due to the ongoing turmoil or Joseon traditions, I would like for AS to realize that she cannot shoulder this fight on her own, and she still has EC (and other loved ones) who vows that he will do anything to defend her as long as she communicates without pretense what she wants. Btw, I meant to say "foolish" and not "futile" regarding Lord Go's/AS' grandfather's request; for while it's not impossible for EC to kill Takeshi Mori (as we saw EC and Gunner Jang Seung-gu supposedly do in Ep. 20), it is foolish for Lord Go/AS' grandfather to assume that removing Mori (or even WI) would ensure AS' (and her family's) safety. There will be more WI's and Mori's who will stop at nothing to hunt down and eradicate the RA, anyone else who declares opposition to the Japanese rule, and anybody related to the former two regardless of their positions/thoughts, and there's no way that AS would ever consider hiding her allegiance to the Joseon independence fight if push comes to shove. After all, AS did declare to her family members (and Haman, who I'm relieved did survive) that she will remain in Joseon and resolve some "unfinished business" rather than escape with them to Manchuria. Hi @aurelionsol. It's been a long time since we discussed on this thread. We have 4 episodes left for KES to fully showcase AS' character growth/trajectory from an "impulsive, romantic, naive Joseon noblewoman masquerading as a Joseon independence fighter at night but not really knowing about the general affairs of Joseon people" to an "independent fighter for her own destiny/future who contemplates the long-term consequences of her actions, decisions, and other affairs in Joseon". Until then, let's give both KES and AS a benefit of a doubt regarding AS' rash actions as a Joseon independence fighter during these recent episodes; for she (and her family and loved ones) did put up with nonstop series of senseless, brutal take-down attempts from WI and/or Mori (ransacking the Go household, the shooting at the funeral procession, etc.) that she could not stop and clearly think through her decisions/actions and the Joseon affairs, especially now that Japan is proceeding further with assuming control over Joseon Korea. That being said, I agree with you that AS needs to tell EC the truth (and vice versa), as well as everything that's being going on with her since. Otherwise, she will lose EC not just as her lover but, more importantly, also as someone whom she can trust in a time period when no one can truly trust their own kind or even themselves.
  7. Hi Soompiers! I've yet to watch the unsubbed Ep. 20 without risking any signs of hyperventilation upon reading the reactions to today's episode here and the recap on Dramamilk: https://www.dramamilk.com/mr-sunshine-kdrama-recap-episode-20/ Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Based on your response and the recap from Dramamilk, my immediate reaction to this is: Btw, not at you, but perhaps at KES... Although, fellow Soompiers, please let me know if I should edit this post and remove that reaction above for being offensive unrelated to the Mr. Sunshine thread; it's just that I'm really upset and frustrated at this turn of events at the end. Look, I get that: 1. AS and her loved ones were provoked by all those sudden, life-and-death uproar (AS' grandfather's death, the shooting at AS' grandfather's funeral procession, etc.) mostly at the hands of WI in the recent episodes, and I'm glad that AS finally got her chance to finish him off. 2. AS has thought about and more-or-less trained for her fight for Joseon independence way long before encountering EC (and HS, DM, and HN). So, it won't be easy for AS to reevaluate, let alone change or even let go of, her initial cause for Joseon independence. 3. AS tends to act impulsively and radically whenever it concerns people (i.e., EC) and issues (i.e., Joseon independence) that matter dearly and greatly to her. Though, in AS' defense, both WI's recent senseless actions against the Go household and the looming Japanese conquering of Joseon Korea exacerbated AS' impulsive actions/nature as a Joseon fighter and left her little or no significant time to fully consider the long-term consequences of her actions (and that of everyone else), let alone all her options for her safety and future (and that of her loved ones and everyone else in Joseon) . 4. EC will do anything and everything to protect and/or stay with her, be it he starts letting go of his past trauma/misgivings as a former Joseon slave, training the RA or Joseon royal army(?), and even contemplating AS' grandfather's (cruel and futile) request in killing of Japanese soldier Takeshi Mori as a U.S. soldier, not a Joseon person. But did AS really have to impose EC with the possibility of using him for her cause in fighting for Joseon independence assuming that EC would simply follow through without question and NOT inquiring about EC's compromised position as both a U.S. soldier and a Joseon person in the midst of the Japanese annexation of Korea, especially once/if the U.S. decides to step back from all this Korea/Japan conflict and leave Korea? Mind you, I would NOT have to emphasize this matter if AS did ask EC about his thoughts regarding overall stance in Joseon, and that EC, after considerable deliberation, declares that none of his safety/immunity as a U.S. soldier/citizen matters to him more than being with and supporting AS in her fight for her safety, future, happiness, and fight for Joseon independence. See, one reason I ultimately rooted for AS/EC (not initially due to AS' earlier romanticizing of EC's status as a U.S. soldier and life in the U.S. while not knowing about EC's dire past as a former Joseon slave) was because both AS and EC communicated to each other their own background, sentiments, and concerns for the other without (more-or-less) trying not to hold back any crucial info pertaining to their overall positions in Joseon. EC has helped enlighten AS' evolved stance regarding what and who her Joseon will fight for, whileAS' unwavering care and fight for her relationship with EC has helped EC start reconciling with his past trauma and moving forward in fighting for AS and the rest of the Joseon people. I want to see more of that communication and understanding between AS and EC in the last 4 episodes, as well as their consideration of their own individual and mutual safety and future, before or once the Japanese takes over Korea.
  8. Well, it doesn't help that this drama is (very loosely) based on a real tragic historical period of Joseon Korea before the 30-40 year Japanese annexation of Korea that included Japanese oppression of the Korean national identity (i.e., forcing Koreans to adopt Japanese names) and atrocities (i.e., Comfort Women) that the Japanese government still whitewashes.
  9. Hi Soompiers. Now that I've had time to process all these harrowing events in today's episode, I'll give my 2 cents on all this. Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Hi @andy78. Sorry to cut your post short. Oh, and off topic, crossing my fingers for the long-overdue JonXArya reunion (and the epic finale of GoT in 2019)! Given what's happened up until today and the real-life tragic outcome of the Japanese colonization of Korea, I'm very curious- more like anxious- about how what kind of fates KES will lay out for our beloved characters, especially AS and EC. First, I want to give AS a huge shout-out and kudos for: 1. Not backing down due to DM's unwarranted cutting of her hair and actually telling him off (while holding the sword to his neck...), and 2. Not letting DM's unwarranted action, her grief for her grandfather's death, or WI's orders of shooting down the funeral profession deter her from picking up her rifle (and her uniform) and joining the (RA?) shooters in fighting the Japanese soliders and protecting our ever-meaningful-but-defenseless HS (though I hope Haman survives!) That being said (and I apologize for repeating this mantra), I do hope that KES shows scenes of AS contemplating her future and safety (and that of EC and her other loved ones), as well as the actions (or lack thereof) of the RA, the Joseon king (Gojong or Sunyong? I'm losing track), and the supposed allies including the U.S. that will eventually leave Joseon Korea in the midst of the inevitable Japanese conquer of Joseon Korea. Don't get me wrong; AS has shown that she's capable of defending herself (and her love/relationship with EC) no matter what, as well as continuing her fight for Joseon independence in or outside Korea. But now that AS' grandfather aka Lord Go died AND WI had the audacity to besiege the Go household before and during the funeral procession, whatever security (and lifestyle) AS had as a Joseon noblewoman is basically over. Not to mention that, as you said in the quoted post above, neither the OTP nor the RA will succeed in preventing the 30 years (or more) of oppression and atrocities by the Japanese (including the Comfort Women that the Japanese government, to this day, continues to dismiss) that the Joseon people of all social classes (and everyone else who were under the Japanese colonization during the 1900-1945 timeline) who were stuck in Korea will suffer. So, AS (and EC and other characters) will need to reconsider whether or not it's worth risking her life (and her relationship with EC, if he survives) for a virtually losing battle/war that, as we've learned from history and/or Wikpedia, neither the Joseon government (namely, King/Emperor Gojong and Sunyong) nor the supposed allies (i.e., U.S.) bothered defending all the way. By the way, in another post you mentioned today, I concur that AS' grandfather's expectations for EC (and, to a lesser extent, DM) are cruel, which, according to Netflix subtitles, AS' grandfather himself admitted. I'd add that AS' grandfather's reasoning behind said expectations, like DM's reasoning for cutting off AS' hair, will have little or no effect on ensuring AS' protection in the midst of the Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea, especially while WI- and Takeshi Mori- is still around. 1. Again, WI already tried uprooting (and killing) the Go household while AS' grandfather was still alive. Obviously, WI could care less about AS' (or her family's) noble class status. Heck, WI could care more-or-less about whatever the Joseon king/emperor thinks or does to him, as long as WI doesn't die and/or lose his power... 2, As for EC, well, @mistergenie, @mistymorning, @anipanch, and@rubie (and other Soompiers I may have forgotten to mention) already highlighted the dire consequences that EC would face if he, as a U.S. soldier rather than a Joseon person, were to do AS' grandfather's bidding and kill off the Japanese soldier Mori. I'd also add that, considering (unless I've been misinformed or KES pulls another creative liberties with the Joseon era at this point of the drama) that the U.S. will eventually pull out of Joseon Korea, EC's overall position and actions will be compromised, whether he chooses to leave with the U.S. army at the expense of AS' (and the Joseon people's) livelihood/future or stay with AS in Joseon at the expense of his immunity as a (highly-ranked?) U.S. soldier. I get that AS' grandfather wants to protect AS, and that he doesn't trust EC's alliance with the U.S. (although I'm nonplussed over AS' grandfather's entrusting of DM to protect AS when he barely knew DM as much as he knew EC). Nevertheless, WI, Mori, and other Japanese (and their supporters) no longer regard the Joseon noble status and instead will persecute (and execute) anyone of any social status who declares opposition to the Japanese rule. Hi @rubie! As always, I appreciate your feedback and updates on the ongoing stress-inducing progression of Mr. Sunshine. I know the cast and crew earned their well-deserved after-party; now, I can only hope we'll make it to the end relatively unscathed, which, unfortunately, I cannot say the same for our beloved characters yet... Thanks for the clarification regarding who knows about WI's involvement in AS' parents' death. Now, what I'm uncertain of (and hoping that it isn't so) is whether or not WI knows about AS' relations to her parents yet. If not, then, as much as I understand EC's reasons for not disclosing this matter to AS, AS should know about this before WI makes that connection (along with AS' involvement in the RA/ fight for Joseon independence) and threatens the livelihoods of AS, EC, and everyone else in Joseon. If anything, AS will have more cause to avenge her parents and her grandfather (and any other member of the Go household who have not undermined AS) and finish off WI once and for all! Speaking of which, I also share your sentiments regarding WI's needing more than one shot as a villain and traitor to Joseon (and his family including HN). But I don't want WI to survive any longer than needed before more damage is done in both the drama and Joseon, even though I'd normally prefer that WI's death be drawn out. Perhaps Gunner Jang Seung-gu (as sworn in both Ep. 1 and Ep. 19), HN (I know she's WI's daughter, but WI did sell her off in a forsaken marriage and future that she most certainly didn't agree to at the beginning), and others directly impacted by WI's vile actions can join in right after AS shoots first. Think of it as a long-overdue poetic justice....
  10. Hi @anipanch. It's already given that WI will stop at nothing to push his agenda at the expense of everyone else's lives, including his own daughter HN's. But he's really done a number on AS and her family, including (but sadly not limited to): 1. The death of AS' parents (which I'm not sure if AS knew about WI's direct involvement, unless someone can inform me otherwise) 2. The besieging of the AS' household (i.e., attempts to demolish the Go house in order to make way for train construction ) 3. Last but definitely not least, ordering his men to shoot at AS' grandfather/Lord Go's funeral procession At this rate, it's only a matter of time before AS finally takes up @lilyphenix's advice regarding the "list" (i.e. memorizing the faces of those responsible for atrocities committed toward her, her loved ones, and the rest of the Joseon people) and aim her rifle at WI (with a one-shot kill). And, as @mistergenie proclaims, the sooner the better! Hi @mistergenie. That's one silver lining I'd hope to see amidst the otherwise bleak future of Joseon Korea and our beloved characters in Mr. Sunshine, unless KES pulls a WTF Inglorious Basterds and "burn it down."
  11. Hi Soompiers. I just watched the unsubbed Ep. 19 and then read the recap here: https://www.dramamilk.com/mr-sunshine-kdrama-recap-episode-19 My overall sentiments on the last moments of Ep. 19, the Ep. 20 preview, and 4 remaining episodes (or is it 2? I think someone mentioned upon viewing https://www.dramamilk.com/mr-sunshine-kdrama-recap-episode-16/#comments): 1. In the words of Sansa Stark from the Season 6 finale of GoT: "Winter has come." 2. In the words of Theoden from the movie version of LOTR: The Two Towers: "So it begins."
  12. Hi @lilyphenix! Now if only dragons actually existed back then so that they could burn down Wan Ik and the rest of the Japanese oppressors any of their (foreign, including Korean) supporters, thus potentially (but probably not) preventing the Japanese annexation of Korea in some alternate universe (in the words of Daenerys Targaryen, "Where are my dragons!?!?"). Oh well, I suppose AS' fanboys (and some, if not all, of the RA) will have to do in this sadly doomed cause.... Hopefully the same won't be said in the series finale of Game of Thrones next year. You heard us, George R.R. Martin and everyone else involved: we want an epic showdown, including one involving Daenerys' dragons and the undead Viserion! Hi @rubie! Again, I'm glad that we fellow Soompiers can be here to support you, especially now that we're approaching the end of Mr. Sunshine (we still have 6 remaining episodes, but still). That, along with debates over the last scene of Ep. 18, is already doing wonders (not necessarily good ones) to our heart, blood pressure, and stress! Btw, thanks for informing me about the misspelling of @Ahpheng, which I edited and corrected in my earlier post (sorry @Ahpheng! ). Lastly, I'm happy to see a huge turnout for the Mr. Sunshine wrap-up party, though (unless I was misinformed) it would have been awesome if LBH/EC and YYS/DM were able to attend as well. All the same, the entire cast and crew- and KES, of course- deserve to have such a fun excursion after spending nearly a year (followed by re-shootings due to earlier complaints from K-nets over DM's "sympathetic" characterization as a Korean member of the Japanese gang/mafia and some historical inaccuracies) putting all their efforts into bringing to life this immersive, cinematic, and thought-provoking portrayal of the Joseon Korean era prior to the Japanese annexation.
  13. Hi @marfisa. There were certainly a lot to take in Ep. 17 and 18! Normally, I would copy from this Soompi thread the Korean/Hangul title 미스터션샤인 and paste that title in the dailymotion.com or Google (video) search. However, in recent times, more episodes of the drama, including Ep. 17, have been taken down from dailymotion.com at least the day after the initial uploading. So, here are the working links for Parts 1 and 2 of today's episode that might be taken down by tomorrow: Ep. 18 Part 1- Ep. 18 Part 2- Hope this helps!!!! As for the last scene, I'm just about ready to throw the towel over having to explain repeatedly the whole "DM/AS will not/never happen as long as neither of them bother communicating to the other his/her actions/decisions/lot in life" spiel. But considering that DM more-or-less tried to understand AS' family background/circumstances (i.e., visiting AS' parents gravesite/temple and confessing his blunt exchange with AS as children) and cause for fighting for Joseon independence despite already having a "relatively secure" noble class status- none of which, btw, he mentioned whatsoever to AS- while AS continues honoring the whole "coin/debt exchange" (on behalf of deceased bureaucrat Lee Se-hoon's former servant whose life DM is "holding hostage" for the exchange, mind you), I might as well add more to this ad nauseum point. After everything that DM learned about AS for the last 16 episodes (unless someone points out otherwise, I don't recall any encounter between AS and DM in Ep. 1 and 2), the best that DM thought he could do for AS' safety was cutting of her hair without even mentioning to her beforehand!? Aside from the possible symbolic/cultural/etc. explanations/context behind the cutting of a woman's hair during the Joseon era (public shame/ostracizing, rebellion against one's parents/family, etc.), the fact that DM did something to AS (in this case, cutting her hair) without AS' knowledge, let alone consent, once more proves that DM has no mutual, fundamental communication, understanding of, or even respect for AS whatsoever. Btw, this kind of scenario is something which I hope no individual (in this case, women) would ever have to face like AS had to at that moment. Moreover, no matter AS' reckless, "unladylike" actions (i.e., rebelling against the Japanese and any pro-Japanese supporters at night) and headstrong nature that has more-or-less provoked- but really concerned- AS' grandfather, AS will stop for a moment to listen to what others (including EC, AS' grandfather, HN, Seung-gu, her servants, and even DM) have to say. Even AS let HS explain his own lot in life, insecurities, and thoughts about his (now broken) engagement and future (or lack thereof), and HS, in turn, respected AS' decisions regarding her own future and acknowledged that he missed his chance with her after having postponed their engagement (and his return to Joseon from Japan) for 10 years. The only way DM would ever make AS understand his thoughts or actions is if he actually talks about those (without threatening the lives of others); and right now, he may have lost his chance for good. And DM will have no one else but himself to blame for that lost chance; for he had 16 episodes (again, not including Ep. 1-2) to reach some sort of understanding with AS, if not entirely make amends for those past actions as a member of the Japanese gang and his blunt, offhanded remarks (some of which he couldn't help but utter back when he was a victimized child who just lost his parents to a merciless beating/death by Joseon commoners for the murder of EC's mother's rapist). Hi @mistymorning. There's a hefty amount of debates over the last scene of Ep. 18. I've had my say in my response to @marfisaquoted post above, and I'll leave it at that for now. That being said, I'll give KES a benefit of a doubt regarding DM's ongoing character trajectory (or apparent lack thereof, particularly regarding AS). Truthfully, up until Ep. 16, I was more-or-less impatiently anticipating AS' "immediate" evolved character growth/stance on her fight for Joseon independence and was questioning AS' daydreaming of her future with EC (though those scenes were beautifully shot and noteworthy for @Ahpheng to recapture in the comics) as though it were more important to her than her own safety, future, and initial cause for Joseon independence. After having rewatched the episodes and reading comments and feedback from you and other fellow Soompiers, I realized that KES would not let any of the characters, including AS, make drastic changes in their personalities, perspectives, and/or actions even when others propose a thought-provoking life lesson, advice or question (like when EC asked AS if the Joseon she's fighting for will protect the butchers and slaves); for we as humans do not just suddenly change our stance or thoughts on what we've known, learned, or believed in, especially when it's something we've (subconsciously) held on to since childhood. Given AS' upbringing as a Joseon noblewoman and her past tendencies to idealize "new", "radical" movements or ideologies including the RA and life in the U.S. (or other countries except Japan), it would be odd and out-of-character for AS to suddenly find the answer to EC's aforementioned question, try to understand the everyday lives/plight of all the Joseon people including DM (who, at this point, is giving AS virtually no reason to reason with him), and contemplate her current and future prospects in a practical rather than romanticized manner (i.e., daydreaming about her future with EC in the U.S. with a zebra at the background ). Since then, I've come to appreciate AS' character growth from the beginning and trust that KES will showcase AS take initiative and strengthen her fight not just for Joseon independence but for her and her loved ones' safety, future, and happiness (and judging by the end of the Ep. 19 preview, AS is back in her donned uniform and rifle better than ever!). So, apart from the whole AS/DM ad nauseum spiel (which, again, I posted my thoughts above), I won't write off DM's lack of change in character trajectory and growth as a permanently lost cause yet. As you mentioned, DM's trauma over his parents' fatal predicament and his mother's slashing not only has been mostly unresolved but also manifested in his lifelong decisions (i.e., working with the Japanese gang) and actions riddled with uncommunicative violence and brutal cynicism toward Joseon and his identity there. All the while, he can't stop thinking about his first blunt encounter with AS as children right after escaping his parents' untimely fates and has formed conflicting sentiments (mostly obsession) over AS' social status and (to a lesser extent) judgment of him. Let's not forget that DM has spent a majority of his life with more unscrupulous folks (with some exception of the mute Hotaru, who, as far as I can recall remains ambiguous in her own true thoughts about DM), whereas AS (and now EC and HS) has had constant love, communication, advice, redirecting, and support from her grandfather (though outwardly indignant), Seung-gu, and others whom she, in turn, cares about and trusts. The only times that DM would reassess- and perhaps talk about- his past actions and thoughts would be whenever he had some exchanges with EC (and HS as the third wheel) in and out of HN's Glory Hotel, which, along with his recent near-death experiences, cannot suddenly inspire DM to recover from his unresolved trauma, let go of his conflicted thoughts/obsession over AS, renounce his violent ways and allegiance with the Japanese gang, and make other significant changes in his life. After all, it took EC 16 episodes chronicling years of estrangement from Joseon Korea (with instances of flash-forwarding in the first two episodes), his almost fatal sending-off of HS' parents in Ep. 4-5, opening of his heart/understanding/trust/love with AS, and (in)direct talks with HS over their overall lot in life before he started letting go of the pain of losing his parents by accepting forgiveness from HS' mother, who, after 14 episodes of fretting over HS' stay in Joseon Korea out of fear of him knowing about EC's past connections with HS' family atrocities, finally swallowed her pride, knelt before EC, acknowledged the culpability of HS' family (namely, HS' grandfather), and begged for forgiveness. KES has done her utmost in not only establishing the character background, growth, and trajectory of at least five major characters- AS, EC, DM, HS, HN- plus others amidst this complex, difficult historical period in Korea but also kept consistent each characters' own personalities and/or adherence to long-ingrained habits, belief, and/or life choices. So let's see how KES will let the character/story arc and development of each character, including DM, unfold for better or worse, especially once they have to deal with the imminent Japanese annexation of Joseon Korea towards the end of the drama. Once again, what a long post!
  14. We're getting closer to the ultimate conflict aka impending Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea; so let's savor whatever OTP moments (and other light-hearted moments) KES will graciously grant us. On to the Ep. 19 preview: Yay! AS' donning her trademark uniform and a rifle in her hand! Hopefully she (along with EC and maybe other RA members) will start taking out the Japanese and any Korean-Japanese traitors, starting with that ever-smirking Wan Ik. Speaking of which, can we have more scenes of Wan Ik being on the receiving end of the sword/gun/weapon like the one in the next episode preview? Seriously, someone (preferably AS on behalf of her parents and her grandfather) needs to cut off Wan Ik's source of power (and his head, for good measure)! I know, right!? Well, Arya did off the Frey family for the dreaded Red Wedding (it would have been more satisfying if Arya first let Lord Frey be present with the rest of the family so he'd first witness the poetic justice a la Red Wedding before she killed him, but I'm fine with canon story as well). Arya may have put off her revenge path to reunite with the remaining Stark family members sans Jon Snow (still expecting that long-awaited reunion/hug; it's 6-7 seasons overdue!), but she'll go off with a bang in the next- and final- season. Btw, I was bummed out that Season 8 was scheduled for 2019 with only six episodes instead of 10 (seasons 1-6) or 7 (season 7); talk about a dry spell for Game of Thrones (GoT) fans this year.... Still, I'll trust that the GoT creators (and George R.R. Martin) would not put off the series finale by a year to leave us with nothing less than a suspenseful, epic showdown amidst the "Winter"; don't let us down!
  15. Hi Soompiers! I've still yet to watch Ep. 18; so I'm anticipating the outcomes today's episodes with trepidation! I know I'll have to brace myself for the heartache and tragedy (especially given the ultimate Japanese colonization of Joseon Korea), but my heart still can't take the pressure! Standard disclaimer: 1. Apologies in advance for the long post AND multiple quotes. 2. Please let me know if I've missed any significant plot point and/or characterization. Thanks for the advice. Nowadays, due to my busy schedule, I haven't had time to browse and/or watch many dramas or movies, whether in Korean or English; so I didn't figure that I'd need a Netflix subscription. But, as @lilyphenix, @kansas424 and @meechuttso (and other Soompiers) proclaimed, Mr. Sunshine is a rare, one-of-a-kind gem that I would not expect from any K-drama writers, including KES. So, I'll see if I should make an exception for this drama and subscribe to Netflix for a better viewing experience and understanding, instead of toggling between the unsubbed episodes and recaps/comments found in Soompi, Dramabeans (despite certain extreme biased comments and recap, the Dramabeans website does include as many details and major plot points with screenshots of the episodes), dramamilk, etc. 1. Like other major characters here, DM has yet to fully evolve past his trauma and misgivings in the midst of the imminent Japanese annexation. He cannot die yet! 2. Well, AS' grandfather isn't addressed as nobleman Lord Go for nothing. 3. Well, Wan Ik is shown strutting in and out of any household affairs including the royal grounds (ugh, someone cut the b****** before he ruins/kills more lives!). Not to mention that one Japanese ambassador was randomly shooting around the village while dragging the Joseon-spy-disguised-as-a-geisha in Ep. 7. 4. AS is about to cut the b******. Btw, were you making a Game of Thrones reference regarding Arya Stark's making the list of the Freys and others responsible for her family's death/separation/etc.- hence' "memorization of all the soldiers' faces"? If so, then Wan Ik and other Japanese (loyalists) better watch out: "The North remembers" and "Winter is coming". 5. I'm all for AS (and HN) taking initiatives and defending themselves and their cause, be it with rifles (and a fedora to boot) or fencing swords (come on HN; show 'em how it's done!). But that doesn't mean AS cannot use some help, especially when it makes a dramatic entrance in the form of EC aka Sunshine King of Shades! 6. Speaking of which, now we need Alpheng @Ahpheng to reappear again on Soompi and make comics highlighting more of EC's trademark shades! (Off-topic, what happened with Alpheng on Soompi? I could not link Alpheng's profile in the post.) HI @rubie!!!!!!!!! I (as well as everyone else here, as you can see here) am glad you're back!!!! We appreciate your feedback and contribution to the Mr. Sunshine thread, and, given the trajectory and cliffhanger of yesterday's episode and the Ep. 18 preview, we need you more than ever for your thoughts, updates, and other info about the drama that we may have missed! Also, sorry to cut/modify your post above; I don't know if I'm supposed to re-quote pictures/graphics. But anyhow, this post is already long enough! And finally, I'm relieved that EC managed to reassess and move past his life-altering, cruel trauma, visit and reassure HS' mother that he means no harm to HS just because of the tragic outcome of that fateful day. 1. As you stated above, HS' mother already acknowledged her father's (and, to a lesser extent, her and HS' father's) culpability in EC's parents senseless mistreatment and death- and EC's near-death chase as a child no less and begged for forgiveness. I'm sure that if HS' mother were in EC's mother's (and DM's mother's and AS' mother's) dire position, she'd do anything to make sure HS escapes alive (at the expense of her own life/safety), even if it mean's holding the slave master's daughter hostage at knifepoint. 2. Now, EC starts recovering from the unresolved pain of his childhood trauma and forgiving HS' mother (don't know about HS' father though) for said trauma. Of course we can't expect EC (or any characters suffering from life-altering traumas, especially as children) to entirely let go of the tragic past and/or forgive those responsible for his parents' sufferings and death, but, for his sake, it helps that EC can move forward with his unforseen future (hopefully with AS, but, given the historical context...). 3. Last but not least, HS' mother realizes that EC would not go so far as even revealing his past to HS, lest he holds HS more responsible for one of the many atrocities his family- namely, his grandfather- committed.
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