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  1. As others have explained what the book says, i’ll get naughty and delve into But why? How can DH just one-sidedly make this decision to legally register their marriage? Even FJ did not know about this until the Bing Cang Ceremony! I have 2 comments regarding this, and they sort of contradict but that’s exactly the point! Firstly, DH’s greatest flaw is that he does not discuss with others before he does things, and from his somewhat rightful (arguable) sense of entitlement is his infamous shamelessness. He’s a steamroller. His kingliness spills over into governing his personal relationships, and this is the cause of much suffering between him & FJ. Even Liang Song his best friend, after DH & FJ return from Aranya’s Dream, suggested DH should openly and honestly tell FJ everything that happened rather than just formulate and secretly feed her the memory-altering pill. There are so many times when he just makes decisions and does things without any communication, which causes many misunderstandings, complicating their weak/doomed fate. When pregnant FJ leaves DH for the mortal realm, she also laments that DH has always just done everything as he wished and she never truly understood him, and still was not sure about how he felt towards herself or Ji Heng. From the very beginning, from his playful flirtatious behaviour towards FJ after YHBQ’s wedding, the hot spring encounter and deliberately walking to her and looking at her naked, at the newly-minted immortals induction ceremony he was openly embarrassing her about the hot spring encounter, when she was drunk taking her to her room and staying with her (when really he shouldn’t have done this himself but as if he would care!), keeping FJ-the-handkerchief trapped in his body and taking her to battle and then causing her to drop into Fanyin Valkey, trapping her in his force field for 10 days when he trained her for the competition, switching out the Saha Fruit prize for the Empress’ peaches, contemplating killing Xiao Yan so he could have FJ all to himself, taking on Xize’s identity and continuing to pretend to be Xize when he was with her, (and here’s the worst and also most relevant part) pretending to be Xize and having sex with her - did you know that in many countries this is classified as ‘rape by deception’? He would not be able to claim the defence of ‘mistaken identity’ because he used deception deliberately and wilfully - informed consent from her is not possible. Obviously, we can’t use a 21st century legal lens while reading historical high fantasy, but the point i’m trying to make is that DH is far from perfect, but its his shamelessness and all his flaws connected to the fact that he is the ‘master of the universe’ that we (and FJ) love and hate at the same time. He didn’t ‘forcefully’ rape her, but she also did not give informed consent because he took her by deception. However, he knew how much she loved him all these years and he was absolutely in love with her now, so he saw it as harmless. I was actually quite miffed at this part of the novel the first time i read it, but have come to appreciate how cleverly controversial it is when i put my legalistic mind aside. So for DH to one-sidedly go ahead and legally register their marriage is but one of a continuous chain of decisions he just steamrolls her with. It all culminates in leaving FJ to save Ji Heng the night before their wedding, and fate delivers all its blows to him after that. Does DH redeem himself? Many readers would argue that the 200 years he spent looking for FJ and preparing for his death was his character redemption. He could choose and control everything in life, but he was (very almost nearly) bound to die. Does his character improve after the 200 year separation - especially after FJ gave him a taste of his own medicine by wordlessly leaving him while pregnant, and raising their son without him, and on their reunion, rejects all his gifts and attempts to cut ties with him, and he finds out suddenly that all this time she had been hiding the fact that they had a son? Both DH & FJ’s character development arcs are very interesting, controversial and memorable. This is one of the many reasons i love this book SO MUCH!!! Secondly, and this sounds contradictory, but i think Tang Qi did this deliberately. Despite DH steamrolling all decisions without consulting anyone (with a sense of entitlement that is fit for his status), deep inside, he cares deeply about others. He cares deeply about Liang Song and even Liang Song’s attempts to woo Cheng Yu, and helps him with his dagger design. He cares deeply about Ji Heng’s father and time and time again brought himself trouble because of Ji Heng’s antics. He cares deeply about the world and for millenia has been secretly (only to Mo Yuan’s knowledge) dealing with the Huiming Realm toxins, fighting Miao Luo, sacrificing his spirit essence and cultivation, to save the world. This goes hand-in-hand with him so-called being loveless, desireless and emotionless, not having a care in the world, yet also being the master of the universe, the king who sprung forth from the Blue Sea and unified a warring universe, bringing peace to all. Eventually, this king crosses paths with FJ. He cares deeply about FJ but he makes all decisions for her and treats her a bit like a child he is caring for the whole time. Legally registering their marriage because they had sex is yet another one of those ways in which he cares for her, but does it without communication, without consultation, and without a care for how she feels. Because he had taken her virginity, he takes reponsibility by securing their legal marriage through formal registration. Countless women over millenia have tried to crawl into his bed, yet he tosses them out like rubbish. The first time this entitled yet emotionless king, who has everything and could have anyone he wanted, actually falls in love, it takes him by surprise how hard it is - FJ (as Aranya) advises him to treasure and hold on to this love because it is so hard to come by and grasp onto. Therefore, it’s a big deal to him, because FJ is the first woman he’s been with and his first love and she means everything to him. Registering their marriage literally ‘ties’ her to him! And yet, to abandon her after this would be absolutely reprehensible, as he not only had sex with her, but did it under a disguised identity. Therefore, again, he did the right thing but did it the wrong way. Isn’t this so telling of how we always feel about DH? The conflicting feelings arising from his conflicting character are addictive. He is so bloody flawed yet we forgive him. He is yet another personification of the drama-trope flawed male heroine, but he is extra, extra adorable.
  2. Thankyou SO much for posting this! It’s sooo beautiful! I hope she does another one for Pillow Book’s scenes!
  3. DEAD. I’ve been sooo busy the past few weeks with my kids, i’ve only just had a chance to catch up with the last 4 pages of posts. So dead. SO VERY dead. I will have more to say. I just need to to be able to breathe again first. I’m still hyperventilating...
  4. Is anyone else also really looking forward to watching Liu Ruilin as Yan Chiwu/Xiao Yan? I thought he was really cute as Sixtheenth Disciple Zi Lan, and he was also cute in The Flame’s Daughter (only watched bits). I’ll be honest - in the book, i sometimes found Xiao Yan annoyingly dumb so i didn’t care much about him. But with Liu Ruilin casted, this changes things! Not only do i think he’s perfect for the role, i also think he’ll make Xiao Yan cuter, sweeter and less annoying. I think i have a little soft spot for him because he’s always playing a sweet male side characrer. I’m already sad that he’s going to get his heart broken by Ji Heng!
  5. OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The drama gods must have gotten sick of my complaining! They have granted me (and us all) Feng Jiu the heroine in RED!!!!!!!!!! I love that you are all SHAMELESS ENABLERS here whenever i’m about to ***think very sexy thoughts about DongFeng***!!! You’re all so naughty like me... I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!! AND REBA LOOKS LIKE AN ACTUAL FREAKING GODDESS IN THAT AWARD REVEAL VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ve been so busy the past week with organising my childrens’ birthday party and baking cakes... i can’t believe what i’ve come back to! Red heroine Feng Jiu, golden goddess Reba... you’re all amazing! I gotta say some of these pics/videos are LITERALLY KILLING ME because i am DYING to know what the drama’s mortal realm arc is about... They are HUGGING! They are IN LOVE! DH is some mortal prince with BLACK HAIR! Far out i know i’ve asked sooo many times but HOW THE HECK will they weave THAT into the book’s story?! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait. But then i can. But then i can’t. December 2019 can’t come soon enough!!! But then i’m enjoying the slow tease with all these leaks... and i also don’t wanna keep aging... why can’t i be like Feng Jiu so that i can be a goddess who doesn’t age... and lives forever... and can turn into a super cute flaming red fox... and gets to make babies with Dong Hua Di Jun... (Kidding! I love my husband... more... actually he watched Eternal Love with me and he loves DH too ) Sigh... bring on the 30s!
  6. Yes, in Aranya’s Dream FJ is always in red because that was Aranya’s favourite colour. Then after leaving Aranya’s Dream and going back to Tai Chen Palace with DH, FJ continues wearing red robes as she designs her sword case (i suppose it means her favourite colour is red too, since Aranya “is” an embodiment of her). The white mourning clothes were supposed to be temporary - she ditched them because she got the Saha Fruit and because she’s with DH now. The book also says she wore red at their wedding (her tears fell on her red skirt or something like that). So i always imagined her as the heroine in red, like in The Flame’s Daughter! And in these scenes from Eternal Love!... Like this generally: Like this at Coronation/Bing Cang Ceremony: Like this when she prepared a sulky DH a bathtub of water and then he dragged her inside as well: I’d better stop before my imagination runs wild again... *think unsexy thoughts*think unsexy thoughts*think unsexy thoughts*...
  7. Ahhh so many gorgeous photos ~ it’s driving me crazy!!! I, for one, love DH in purple with silver hair. I don’t mind the white robe and i don’t mind the black hair, but DH will always be purple-robed and silver-haired to me! A little bummed that FJ keeps appearing in white! She is supposed to be in RED in the whole of the second half of the story beginning in book 2.
  8. Only the Epilogue is in YH’s POV. It’s just a few pages. Pm me your email address.
  9. It’s not. In Hamster’s version, the English is not good. Stick to the Amazon official translation. When you’ve finished reading it, let me know and i’ll send you Ye Hua’s Epilogue (which is not in the Amazon one).
  10. Please don’t take this personally - i’m definitely not having a go at you, and we love the diversity of interpretations and opinions we all bring - but i really don’t agree with this! I get what you’re saying about chinese mythology - about the seducing and enchantress role/nature of typically female fox spirits - but as you have said, TQ didn’t integrate this into her stories, and in fact, i think she went quite the opposite way. The notion of the “huli jing” has been explored in so many stories, but Tang Qi’s xianxia universe seems to have a different take on the fox spirits. She also differentiates between the Nine-Tail-White-Fox-God-Tribe of Qing Qiu, and the lowly Fairy Fox Clan which is mentioned in The Pillow Book. In Tang Qi’s universe, the Celestial Tribe are not necessarily “good”, just legalistic and maybe even arrogant and hypocritical (since they have been placed in administrative power by Dong Hua). The Ghost Tribe is not necessarily “scary”/“devious” and the Demon Tribe is not necessarily “bad”. In fact, all have been at fault, all have participated in wars, all have been unified in peace by Dong Hua. I think Tang Qi has intentionally turned a lot of traditional notions on their heads. Bai Qian and Zhe Yan does mention (in the books and in Eternal Love) that the 9tail white foxes are very good at their enchantment (seduction) spells, but it’s not necessarily painted in a bad light, maybe just how they “woo” and “court” their lovers, not for the traditional sense of mischief and personal advantage. Qing Qiu foxes are known for their unwavering faithfulness and stay with their one mate for life - they have no harem like those in the Celestial Tribe. This is very different to the kind of “huli jing” mistresses and seducers you described, who use their beauty to get what they want. I also disagree that YH and DH fell for the stereotypical beautiful woman/damsel in distress. BQ and FJ, although the 2 most beautiful women in the 4 seas and 8 realms, are definitely NOT dim-witted, mary sue or the cliche damsel in distress. BQ is strong, independent, brave, loyal, badass and is the heroine of the story. The drama makes YH seem like the hero/protagonist and dumbs down BQ’s voice, character and presence, but the books are all about BQ, written solely in her POV as the protagonist, and she is a powerful woman. BQ is admittedly self-centred and have all the flaws i listed out in previous posts, but i think her greatest problem is her social issues and hermit/recluse personality, not an innate selfishness or self-centredness. As i tried to explain, she puts on Goddess airs to get out of awkward situations, not to get praise nor use people for her own advantage. She never used her beauty, and she got away with things because of her respected 9tail white fox godly lineage, being daughter of the Fox King, and Goddess status, NOT her beauty. She is kind but disengaged with the affairs of the world, and has poor maternal instincts. I found that most of her flaws were actually plot-driven and the books were more forgiving because her internal dialogue demonstrated reflection and self-awareness. YH fell in love with her definitely NOT simply because of the notion of her being a beauty/he collapsed at her feet. No way. He had a connection with her way back to when Mo Yuan died and she woke YH up into his child spirit form. As Su Su, he recognised her “back”, the back of a figure that appears in his dreams. As Su Su, she showed him kindness and made him feel happiness for the first time, AND she was incredibly beautiful (but she had no spirit essence and appeared like a mortal) - all this is explained in Ye Hua’s Epilogue. I even further disagree with putting FJ in the self-centred and dim-witted category (if you’re talking about Eternal Love’s FJ, then that’s not written by Tang Qi). FJ in the book is AMAZING! The only thing i agree with is that she is exceptionally beautiful, but again, she never ever used her beauty or her lineage for anything. Unlike BQ, she doesn’t put on airs to get out of situations. She is friendly and down-to-earth, willing to deal with all social situations. At the equivalent age of only 16-18, she’s naive and innocent, but it makes her cute - she’s definitely NOT dim-witted nor self-centred. She is also VERY strong, independent and has a lot of talent. She doggedly lowered herself to a servant and a pet to pursue Dong Hua for 400 years. Even after that, she suffered time and time again and never once complained, culminating in her sufferings as “Aranya”, the torture cage, etc - after which she breaks down and reflects on how her many years of perseverance and heartache has made her very strong. Many previous posts written by many people here have praised FJ’s character in the books - her integrity, her humility, her faithfulness, her kindness, her fighting and cooking ability - and all the qualities that DH also praised her about (when he told “Aranya” what he loved about FJ when they went to see the Yue Ling flowers). He said he loved everything about her, and knows why he chose her. Yes, he said she was the most beautiful. Yes, he also joked with Liang Song about her being “gullible” which he found endearing, but he also said time and time again she surprised him with how smart she was. But he is definitely not one to have merely collapsed at a beauty’s feet, nor did FJ cause his hero’s demise - in fact, she saves him (eg. heals his hands, helps him in the Wicked Lotus Sphere). DH talked about how in his hundreds of thousands of years, countless so-called “beauties” have thrown themselves at him, but he neither looked at them nor wanted anything to do with them. Only Feng Jiu was able to capture his attention, who at “first sight” already gave him a sense of warmth and familiarity (unbeknownst to him, because she had spent 400 years by his side and IS his beloved missing pet fox). DH also talked about her talent, restraint and humility which he felt made her fit to be his queen (when he realised how deeply in love with her he was after the Saha Fruit Competition). So, in conclusion, i think Tang Qi really challenged the helpless beauty/damsel in distress cliche, as well as traditional mythology about the fox spirits. In fact, she spun all these notions into something new and created progressive, countercultural and highly admirable characters in BQ, FJ, YH & DH. Yes, they all have their flaws, but not the ones you mentioned and not for the reasons you mentioned. And they have much more praiseworthy characteristics than flaws. We enjoy their romance because they are meaningful and refreshing, and because the characters are so admirable and the chemistry is so intoxicating. I definitely don’t think it’s another fluff romance piece about heroes falling for the beauty/damsel in distress.
  11. 1) From what is known/leaked/widely assumed, the 2 books will be made into 50+ episodes, just like the 2 books of TMOPB. 2) No, pretend the DHFJ story in Eternal Love never happened. 3) I don’t really understand what you’re referring to. There’s no modification as to who is courting who. In Eternal Love, FJ chases DH. In this drama, it will be as the book, mainly DH chasing FJ after she chased him in the past. 4) But we know FJ wakes up because of the post-waking-up hilarious short stories in the official pictorial book, written by Tang Qi herself. So no surprise if they don’t end with the book’s ending. It worked well in a book, but would be way too abrupt and incomplete if it ended that way in a drama (unless they wanted an open ending, but i doubt that, as that’s not in the spirit of the book).
  12. WOW!!! This is super exciting! If that is BGG, he looks WAY older than 2 years old (i have a 2-year old). He looks even older than my 4-year-old. Maybe it's too difficult having a toddler on set? I was looking forward to seeing BGG as a super cute little toddler though...
  13. I’ve answered you on the TMOPB forum, but will write this here for anyone else wondering too. Please buy “To The Sky Kingdom” on Amazon, translated by Poppy Toland. There is NO free translated version of this book because the fan-translator deleted it and does not want it circulated. It wasn’t a good translation anyway. Spend a few bucks and buy an official copy on Kindle or whatever, and give the author her dues. The free translated version of The Pillow Book was commissioned by Tang Qi and had 3 translators, so it was done well and with permission.
  14. Please buy “To The Sky Kingdom” on Amazon, translated by Poppy Toland. There is NO free translated version of this book because the fan-translator deleted it and does not want it circulated. It wasn’t a good translation anyway. Spend a few bucks and buy an official copy on Kindle or whatever, and give the author her dues. The free translated version of The Pillow Book was commissioned by Tang Qi and had 3 translators, so it was done well and with permission.
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