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  • c4sandersc4sanders Posts: 10Member, New Member
    [font="'Century Gothic"]Hello!  I posted on here awhile ago... But i think I am switching from getting surgery in LA to NYC.  Dr. Choe and his staff seems friendly and competent(which i know may not mean he is a good surgeon...) but at least he cares.  If anyone has any other suggestions for LA or NYC please let me know! :)  Or anyone have any past experience with Dr. Choe I'd be grateful to hear or see results!  I've been searching through this forum for days and I've found mostly positives on Dr. Choe, which is nice to hear. I have a consultation with him on Thursday over the phone, and then hopefully surgery in mid may.  What I want is medial epi and blepharoplasty with possible ptosis repair.   I also need advice on side of eyelid and how much to take off for the epi![/font]
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    [font="'Century Gothic"] Btw! He only requires you to stay IN NEW YORK for 1 night!  Convenient![/font]  happy.gif
  • darkpassiondarkpassion Posts: 19Member
    edited April 2012
    nailbunny wrote on 26 February 2012 - 10:35 PM:

    I'm just sitting in the guest house waiting to leave for the airport, so I figured I'd type up my surgery experience.

    I had my surgery in the evening because that was the only time they had left for like...days, even though I was hesitant (reading and it made sense to me that the doctor would be less tired at a morning appointment). Teuim had me pay a 10% deposit to secure my appointment and at that time, I had requested to take the fat graft off the list. They did but I was supposed to have another consultation with Dr. Kwon before the appointment to discuss this.

    Between the different opinions I had gotten on the fat graft, I didn't feel comfortable getting it done at this point. And this part is rather dumb because you figure, you went all the way to Korea, why not just get everything, but all 3 procedures was past what I had wanted to budget for this trip, so I ended up asking Dr. Kwon, between the epi and the fat graft, which one would he prefer to keep on. He, of course, chose the epi and I went with it because...I'm vain, I guess. I had to wash my face in the bathroom beforehand, take off all jewelry, etc, and then they cleaned my face again when I was in the operating room.

    I was put under IV sedation for the beginning, and I could tell Dr. Kwon was doing things to my eyes but I couldn't feel anything at all. I think he did the epi while I was under, and the suturing when I started to come out of it. I started to get a little uncomfortable near the end, it wasn't really a lot of pain or anything, it was just minor pain and significant discomfort. He had me open and close my eyes a few times and then stitched me up (didn't like this part). I was moved back into the recovery room onto the heated bed and given an ice pack. The heated bed was SO WARM, every time the lady came in I'd be like "too hot!!" but she made me lie down and covered me up each time. And then as soon as she left I kicked off the blankets and was lying diagonally to try to get off the heated bed. I guess it must be a healing thing because my friend said she got moved to one afterwards too, but seriously, I was sweating and felt like I was cooking and just in general, did not want.

    I eventually got back to my hotel, and I actually cried that first night. My roommate said she didn't have much pain, but my face was in SO. MUCH. PAIN. after the surgery. I can't describe it but my face just hurt, and I had bandages across the front and I was freaking out because the epi looked massive. They had given me painkillers but told me not to take until the next morning. I didn't sleep too well that first night, I kept getting up to get the ice pack. Luckily, most of the pain was gone by morning when I took the painkillers, and then I didn't have much pain at all for the rest of the time, though my eyes were still a bit uncomfortable and tight and it hurt to try to look up.

    I got my stitches out on the 5th day after, and immediately after, my eyes felt so much better. The stitches, I think, keep your skin tighter (for healing) but they're also pointy/itchy/uncomfortable. Dr. Kwon looked over my eyes, seemed generally pleased but did note that if I saw the fold fading, it would mean it was time for a fat graft (apparently, if it does start to fade/develop multiple folds, all I need is the fat graft to fix it up again). I told him if I did, I'd come back to Teuim and get it done and he laughed. He asked me how I liked the results so far, and said to give the swelling about a month (I had thought non-incision would be slightly faster...but he said I was right at "peak swelling"). And then they told me if I'm ever back in Seoul, to stop in at the clinic so they could check out my eyes again.

    In general, I think I had a pretty good experience. :) I will post pictures when I am back in the states and my eyes heal a bit more.


    Hey, I went through the exact same thing while on my trip with momoko doll... I was soo confused that I couldn't make a decision and eventually felt like just forgoing the whole process. When I finally made a decision but teuim couldn't schedule me in... I'll be going back to Korea on 25april to do my eyes and hopefully I won't be as confused as the last time. I decided to reconsider item, real cosmetic and banobagi. I'm wondering about your earlier post when you mentioned cj cosmetic and about the dr talking about the internal epi... Could you explain more to me? I want to get epi done but I don't want a blunt corner I prefer a sharp corner but still with wide eyes if you get what I mean.
  • SammyCoutureSammyCouture Posts: 554Member

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    darkpassion wrote on 11 April 2012 - 05:16 AM:

    Hey, I went through the exact same thing while on my trip with momoko doll... I was soo confused that I couldn't make a decision and eventually felt like just forgoing the whole process. When I finally made a decision but teuim couldn't schedule me in... I'll be going back to Korea on 25april to do my eyes and hopefully I won't be as confused as the last time. I decided to reconsider item, real cosmetic and banobagi. I'm wondering about your earlier post when you mentioned cj cosmetic and about the dr talking about the internal epi... Could you explain more to me? I want to get epi done but I don't want a blunt corner I prefer a sharp corner but still with wide eyes if you get what I mean.


    Wow, I'm soo surprised they couldn't fit people in! Was it because of the peak season?  How long were you staying in Korea for? Regardless, I'm so surprised and now scared.

  • Jinju82Jinju82 Posts: 10Member, New Member
    edited April 2012
    darkpassion wrote on 10 April 2012 - 09:16 PM:

    I eventually got back to my hotel, and I actually cried that first night. My roommate said she didn't have much pain, but my face was in SO. MUCH. PAIN. after the surgery. I can't describe it but my face just hurt, and I had bandages across the front and I was freaking out because the epi looked massive. They had given me painkillers but told me not to take until the next morning. I didn't sleep too well that first night, I kept getting up to get the ice pack. Luckily, most of the pain was gone by morning when I took the painkillers, and then I didn't have much pain at all for the rest of the time, though my eyes were still a bit uncomfortable and tight and it hurt to try to look up. 





    I would of taken the painkillers asap~ 
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    Anyone know of any great and legit rhinoplasty surgeons in LA !??? (not too expensive eitherrr!!!)

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  • KathyfishKathyfish CanadaPosts: 213Member

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    I'm going to be in Korea from July 23rd - Aug 3rd so like 12 days ...is that going to be enough time to get everything done? All I want is incisional + epi, I'm just unsure because I know it's like right in the middle of summer so yea >.> I'm probably only consulting at BK and Teuim unless there are any other clinics in that area that people recommend?
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  • nailbunnynailbunny YARRR USPosts: 1,318Member

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    darkpassion wrote on 11 April 2012 - 01:16 AM:

    Hey, I went through the exact same thing while on my trip with momoko doll... I was soo confused that I couldn't make a decision and eventually felt like just forgoing the whole process. When I finally made a decision but teuim couldn't schedule me in... I'll be going back to Korea on 25april to do my eyes and hopefully I won't be as confused as the last time. I decided to reconsider item, real cosmetic and banobagi. I'm wondering about your earlier post when you mentioned cj cosmetic and about the dr talking about the internal epi... Could you explain more to me? I want to get epi done but I don't want a blunt corner I prefer a sharp corner but still with wide eyes if you get what I mean.

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    The way I understood it: on the left is the medial epi, corner cutting, w/e. If you want to see what it looks like afterwards, pull your skin in the direction of the arrow. On the right eye, the way Dr. Lee explained it was by pulling that area upwards (the 3/4's mark as described by ssuigeneris). It "opens" your eye for the eyelid fold without getting rid of the mongolian fold. I don't know how he does it though... :sweatingbullets: sorry haha I don't quite remember all the details.

    Kathyfish wrote on 11 April 2012 - 04:12 PM:

    I'm going to be in Korea from July 23rd - Aug 3rd so like 12 days ...is that going to be enough time to get everything done? All I want is incisional + epi, I'm just unsure because I know it's like right in the middle of summer so yea >.> I'm probably only consulting at BK and Teuim unless there are any other clinics in that area that people recommend?

    I was there for 12 days :) but didn't have my surgery until like 4 days after I got there! so I definitely think you have enough time as long as you don't have to push your surgery off too long. the girl I went with was only there a week! and she was fine, but I think that's less ideal.
  • KimHeeSubKimHeeSub Posts: 34Member, New Member
    nailbunny wrote on 10 April 2012 - 07:05 PM:

    I posted an update photo bottom of pg 470 (about 1 month post-op) but I can take a better one in the next few days if people want, or do a closed eyes pic.


    Ah yes I saw your 1 month post-op, it's just since in the 0~2 month range I heard it changes a lot since the swelling goes down so I'm wondering how much it changed again and a pic of your eyes closed would be wonderful! ^.^ Very curious~
  • darkpassiondarkpassion Posts: 19Member
    SammyCouture wrote on 11 April 2012 - 09:54 AM:

    Wow, I'm soo surprised they couldn't fit people in! Was it because of the peak season?  How long were you staying in Korea for? Regardless, I'm so surprised and now scared.


    Yeah... it was peak season and I was there for 2 weeks. It sucked sooo bad that I couldn't get anything done. The drs really have different opinions on the methods they might use for double eyelid surgery. I was totally thrown off by the non-incision 2 of the doctors recommended me because I always thought incisional was the best method since there was no way the crease would unravel. So I took a really long time making a decision and when I finally decided to go for teuim they didn't have any slots left. I had to go home without doing anything. I'm crossing my fingers for my coming trip... I really have to get it done this time because I'll be busy after this and the next time I can go anywhere would be at least a year and a half from now.
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  • darkpassiondarkpassion Posts: 19Member
    nailbunny wrote on 11 April 2012 - 02:36 PM:

    *quoted image*
    The way I understood it: on the left is the medial epi, corner cutting, w/e. If you want to see what it looks like afterwards, pull your skin in the direction of the arrow. On the right eye, the way Dr. Lee explained it was by pulling that area upwards (the 3/4's mark as described by ssuigeneris). It "opens" your eye for the eyelid fold without getting rid of the mongolian fold. I don't know how he does it though... :sweatingbullets: sorry haha I don't quite remember all the details.


    Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me... I'm wondering if you know any other doctors who use that method? I'm thinking of finding a doctor who could combine the two for me.
  • breezy11breezy11 Posts: 47Member
    @nailbunny
    on one of my eyes, the indent is close to my skin colour but still visible whereas the indents on my other eye is still slightly pink
    i check closing one eye to see the other eye haha

    i am very pale though.
    did you get a tapered, in-out or out fold?
  • nailbunnynailbunny YARRR USPosts: 1,318Member

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    darkpassion wrote on 11 April 2012 - 09:17 PM:

    Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me... I'm wondering if you know any other doctors who use that method? I'm thinking of finding a doctor who could combine the two for me.

    I haven't heard of any other doctors using that method. :(

    breezy11 wrote on 13 April 2012 - 10:44 AM:

    @nailbunny
    on one of my eyes, the indent is close to my skin colour but still visible whereas the indents on my other eye is still slightly pink
    i check closing one eye to see the other eye haha

    i am very pale though.
    did you get a tapered, in-out or out fold?

    I see an indent when I check by closing one eye also. It makes the opened eye "scrunch" a bit, which is why I asked. :) My friend reassured me multiple times that there is no indent when both eyes are closed, so that's why I asked.
    And I got the in-out fold.

    I'll probably put in a pic in the next week or so!
  • lulunotlemon*lulunotlemon* ????? CanadaPosts: 2,324Member
    nailbunny wrote on 09 April 2012 - 08:39 AM:

    I only planned on consulting one day (3 clinics) but since I have so confused afterwards, I added another day and another 3 clinics. As I said before though, if you plan better than me, you can definitely fit more than 3 visits per day. You don't have to book your surgery beforehand, but depending on how busy the clinic is, they may want you to book very soon after your consult. For example, if I wanted to have my surgery same day at Teuim, I had to let them know basically right after my consult. I was restricted by how late I could reply because they want you to have at least 5-7 days before you leave Korea. If you are in Korea for a while, you could probably take longer with your decision.

    And yep, I got non-incisional + medial epi with Dr. Kwon. :)

    Ok so, ABOUT CURRENCY EXCHANGE. I got all my cash before I left the US, and I paid for my surgery in cash. I based all my currency conversions on google's calculator (which seems pretty well tied to xe's calculator). Both my credit card and ATM card charged a 3% transaction fee so I just paid cash. When Teuim did the calculation, they look up the exchange rate right in front of you (at least, they did for me) but there are two rates -- one that exchangers and stuff buy USD at, and one that they sell USD for (so if you're buying USD, you pay more KRW, but if you are buying KRW, you pay more USD). Teuim calculates with the worse exchange rate for you (buying KRW with USD). BUT!! and I know this may not be completely accurate: I exchanged money at a bank one day (I was at myeongdong and I ran out of cash!! haha) and they did the same thing, I went back and compared exchange rates. It was only a ~1.7% "charge" on the even exchange rate (like the interbank trading rate), which beats out any 3% transaction fee. I don't know what the heck that was about but something people going to Korea might want to keep in mind when considering money options!


    Do you feel like consulting more clinics would be much more beneficial than to only consult 3? :S

    I am very biased towards Dr. Kwon at the moment :P However! I'm pretty sure the non-incisional method falls within 3-5 years and you're back to monolids. :X did they inform you of that? Or is that not true at all?


    WOAH LOL yeah if you exchange currency with wherever you're making a transaction with I guess they wouldn't care if they charge you more through that :X
    Thanks for the help, I'm not sure if I completely understood that process LOOL

    momoko doll* wrote on 08 April 2012 - 08:23 PM:

    thanks :blush:



    thank you! you should be korea is so much fun too :) it would be interesting to hear your experience and what clinics you choose as well



    i got full incision :)
    i did my currency exchange back at home in the states (bank of america) before i went to avoid any overblown costs at the airport or overseas. i brought around $500 cash to korea...i think $750 would have been better for living expenses for 2 weeks since i did end up withdrawing once at the atm there, my bank charged me $6 for using foreign atm and 3% for currency exchange fee. for surgery i just used my credit card (3% currency charge from your bank unless u signed up for a credit card that does not charge u for overseas transactions) but i know some places like bandoeye do not accept CC. if you do currency exchange at home they will charge u a processing fee + a worse exchange rate than stated on google due to them factoring in risk. not sure how much fees would add up to be when exchanging at the banks in korea, but certainly worth asking around/googling. sorry i dont have much cash experience just mostly swipe swiped when i went to shop and surgery


    Of course! But that's so far away from now hahaha :) I hope my eyes turn out as pretty as your's did! :$

    Not sure if I asked you this but did you get your surgery at teuimps (can't spell)?

    Thank you for the information! 500$ cash in Korea must be a lot to carry around! I'm from Canada so not sure if they will charge the same amount :S is it normal for patients to carry a bag full of money to pay for their surgery in Korea? LOOL Scared to get robbed!

    And that's cute! :P if it's not too personal too ask, how much did your whole trip to Korea cost in total? :)

    Moona2011 wrote on 09 April 2012 - 02:34 PM:

    Hi,

    I had done double eyelid surgery in Teumips last year with Dr. Kwon. I am not sure if you have already been there, it is not a very busy clinic. There are two doctors, Dr Kim and Dr. Kwon. Dr. Kwon is a specialist in doing eyelid surgery, he invented Magic Epican. I asked for western crease (sorry, I don't how much mm I have done). I am happy with the result, my creases look so natural. So far, I haven't heard any complaint about Dr. Kwon. He is a very soft spoken guy, not very fluent in English but Dr. Kim could help translate. If you are interested to know more, please let me know what your questions are.


    Hello! :)

    I have a few quick questions for you haha!

    Did you get the non-incisional or incisional method with Dr. Kown? Did you get epi as well? How much did it cost? :P And also, do you have pictures showing your results that you would like to share?

    Thank youuuu :)
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  • KimHeeSubKimHeeSub Posts: 34Member, New Member
    nailbunny wrote on 13 April 2012 - 12:22 PM:

    I'll probably put in a pic in the next week or so!



    Yay! :D

    also lulunotlemon*, I was really biased and wanted incisional due to the words of (a large chunk) this forum but when I really though of it I don't think it's possible for non-incisional to just become loose in 3-5 years time since it's leaving permanent stitches in your eyelids (which I'm sure scars the flesh in the eyelid) and incisional (I think) simply connects a (lever?) muscle to the new crease by scarring up the tissue to leave a permanent connection; one just involves a bit more scarring. Unless I guess you rub your eyes hard or frequently put on/off make up then that might strain the stitches to the point that it weakens..But what do I know, I'm only guessing~
  • rockhella69rockhella69 Posts: 3New Member
    Disappointed with my double eye lid surgery.

    dear all, i don't know what to do. Just a 2 weeks ago, i headed off to seoul and had double eye lids surgery. I have faint infold lids and wanted rounded, parallel  lids. from the consultation with my doctor and consultation girl,  i was under the impression, he (doctor) was going to balance out my eyes, and give me higher lids. At least higher than the old lids I got. He mentioned that parallel lids will make me look old, so i was hoping for a more outer inner lids instead of parallel lids. like its still inside lids but you can see the whole lid.

    However it turn out really disappointing, as the swell subsides, i realized to my horror that my lids are the same old lids. the doctor just sew over my lids to make it more deeper and make the ends a little higher and did a small epi on the other eye to balance it out. The surgery is very very subtle and I am so disappointed. They stress they wanted to give me a natural look but its so natural that nothing seems done. And my whole lid is folds inside my eyes and you can see the lids unless i tilt my head.

    what should i do? should i go and get a revision? what happens if he makes it worse?

    i am so disappointed cos i spend money, flew over and still end up with the same old eyes.

    I did it at wonjin and i look at their website list of doctors today to find out more about my doctor and to my double horror, he isnt on their website.

    I dont want to do revision with him but they said revision within one year would be free.

    argghhh, plastic surgery is agonizing.
  • lulunotlemon*lulunotlemon* ????? CanadaPosts: 2,324Member
    KimHeeSub wrote on 14 April 2012 - 02:36 AM:

    Yay! :D

    also lulunotlemon*, I was really biased and wanted incisional due to the words of (a large chunk) this forum but when I really though of it I don't think it's possible for non-incisional to just become loose in 3-5 years time since it's leaving permanent stitches in your eyelids (which I'm sure scars the flesh in the eyelid) and incisional (I think) simply connects a (lever?) muscle to the new crease by scarring up the tissue to leave a permanent connection; one just involves a bit more scarring. Unless I guess you rub your eyes hard or frequently put on/off make up then that might strain the stitches to the point that it weakens..But what do I know, I'm only guessing~


    That makes sense, but like the stitch in your eye that the non-incisional method leaves gets tangled in the muscles of your lids and when it eventually falls it's really difficult for them to take out the stitch (and therefore more pain)... so I don't know :S I heard some doctors tell their patients that this method is permanent as well, but I read this post-surgery experience of a girl doing the eyelid surgery for the second time in China... she said that she did non-incisional the first time and it fell, so the second time they had to do incisional and it was painful/very difficult for the doctors cause they had to take the stitches out ..

    But but maybe Korean doctors have a better method for non-incisional! Their work really do differ themselves from surgeons in other countries (generally speaking) So I don't know!!! D:

    rockhella69 wrote on 14 April 2012 - 09:49 AM:

    Disappointed with my double eye lid surgery.

    dear all, i don't know what to do. Just a 2 weeks ago, i headed off to seoul and had double eye lids surgery. I have faint infold lids and wanted rounded, parallel  lids. from the consultation with my doctor and consultation girl,  i was under the impression, he (doctor) was going to balance out my eyes, and give me higher lids. At least higher than the old lids I got. He mentioned that parallel lids will make me look old, so i was hoping for a more outer inner lids instead of parallel lids. like its still inside lids but you can see the whole lid.

    However it turn out really disappointing, as the swell subsides, i realized to my horror that my lids are the same old lids. the doctor just sew over my lids to make it more deeper and make the ends a little higher and did a small epi on the other eye to balance it out. The surgery is very very subtle and I am so disappointed. They stress they wanted to give me a natural look but its so natural that nothing seems done. And my whole lid is folds inside my eyes and you can see the lids unless i tilt my head.

    what should i do? should i go and get a revision? what happens if he makes it worse?

    i am so disappointed cos i spend money, flew over and still end up with the same old eyes.

    I did it at wonjin and i look at their website list of doctors today to find out more about my doctor and to my double horror, he isnt on their website.

    I dont want to do revision with him but they said revision within one year would be free.

    argghhh, plastic surgery is agonizing.


    That' really sucks!! If you're in Seoul right now, I would suggest that you go get your eyes checked out by doctors at other clinics and see what they have to say about revision... If it doesn't cost too much, you should definitely do revision with other surgeons :S

    Don't have a lot of experiences, but I think it would be best if you do some thorough research before you go for revision again! Best of luck!!
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  • rockhella69rockhella69 Posts: 3New Member
    Thanks lulunotlemon! yeah, as days go by, the lid is getting smaller and smaller.
    I am back in Singapore now so I cant go and see other doctors.

    i would probably head back for a revision end of the year. But i am double scare now.

    this sucks! or just live with it and let it go.

    I am still deciding. I just feel cheated.

    do you guys know of any good revision doctor?
    like cinderalla or banogi.


    i am avoiding bk dong yang.
  • nailbunnynailbunny YARRR USPosts: 1,318Member

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    edited April 2012
    ^ I think Assai or something had a good experience with IOU? try looking back to find her posts or she might see this and post again.

    lulunotlemon* wrote on 13 April 2012 - 09:58 PM:

    Do you feel like consulting more clinics would be much more beneficial than to only consult 3? :S

    I am very biased towards Dr. Kwon at the moment :P However! I'm pretty sure the non-incisional method falls within 3-5 years and you're back to monolids. :X did they inform you of that? Or is that not true at all?

    I liked consulting with more since the suggested procedures weren't what I was expecting, so it was a good way to try to figure out what might actually be necessary and what might be extraneous. If you find someone you feel comfortable with and agree with procedure-wise, you might not need to.

    I asked the permanent question so much that Dr. Kwon ultimately said if I wanted the incisional, he would do it. But Dr. Kim really discouraged me and both of them insisted that the suture method would be permanent (honestly, this might've just been sales talk, I don't know). I even asked about partial incision and Dr. Kim said there was no need to make any cut since there was nothing they needed to remove from my eyes (like fat or skin excision). Since ultimately I had 3 out of 6 clinics suggest the non-incision, I just went with it.
  • rainbowdropsrainbowdrops Posts: 1New Member
    I've been reading this thread for quite some time, and I'm finally getting double eyelid surgery done next month! I'm SO excited. It doesn't feel real that it's finally going to happen. I've been wanting this for maybe 6 years now.

    I'm getting my surgery done with Dr. Eric Choe in NYC. I'm just getting double eyelids, no epi. He says I don't need it, and even if I did, I don't have enough money for it lol.

    Anyway, I just wanted to share my excitement. I will update when I get it done.
  • lulunotlemon*lulunotlemon* ????? CanadaPosts: 2,324Member
    nailbunny wrote on 15 April 2012 - 10:09 AM:

    ^ I think Assai or something had a good experience with IOU? try looking back to find her posts or she might see this and post again.


    I liked consulting with more since the suggested procedures weren't what I was expecting, so it was a good way to try to figure out what might actually be necessary and what might be extraneous. If you find someone you feel comfortable with and agree with procedure-wise, you might not need to.

    I asked the permanent question so much that Dr. Kwon ultimately said if I wanted the incisional, he would do it. But Dr. Kim really discouraged me and both of them insisted that the suture method would be permanent (honestly, this might've just been sales talk, I don't know). I even asked about partial incision and Dr. Kim said there was no need to make any cut since there was nothing they needed to remove from my eyes (like fat or skin excision). Since ultimately I had 3 out of 6 clinics suggest the non-incision, I just went with it.


    LOL! That's true, :S but doesn't it cost more to do the incisional method than the non-incisional? Anyways, your results looked gorgeous! :P
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